--- Log opened Thu May 19 00:00:50 2011
00:05 < uriel> moraes: mostly, yes
00:05 < uriel> moraes: let me see
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00:06 < moraes> uriel, if you can, add a link
00:11 < uriel> added
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00:15 < moraes> wooo
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01:00 < chomp> if i have a struct which holds a pointer to heap allocated by
C code, is it sane to register a finalizer (on instances of that struct) that
C.free's said pointer?
01:00 < chomp> i can't see why it wouldn't be
01:01 < Namegduf> Hmm.
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01:02 < Namegduf> I don't know if the GC guarantees any particular rate of
cleanup
01:02 < Namegduf> And anything that looked like a pointer to the struct
maybe would block it.
01:02 < Namegduf> But yes,
01:02 < chomp> i'm not worried about it hanging around forever, just
concerned with the correctness of the assumption that -eventually- free will be
called and not break
01:02 < chomp> by "forever" i mean not literally, but "an arbitrarily long
time"
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01:14 < chomp> woo...almost a working telnetd
01:14 < chomp> in under 100 lines of go
01:16 < [def]> I'd like to add utility functions to http.ResponseWriter but
i think i'm missunderstanding how interfaces are supposed to work:
https://gist.github.com/dbc4f8a04e281b6800ab
01:16 < [def]> any idea how i can accomplish this here?
01:17 < [def]> I could simply wrap the handler and pass my own
MyResponseWriter around but i thought that i should be able to declare a
MyResponseWriter with http.ResponseWriter interchangeably after embedding it
01:18 < chomp> MyResponseWriter is not an http.ResponseWriter just because
it holds one
01:18 < vsmatck> [def]: You can only define methods on a type within your
package.
01:18 < vsmatck> So you'd need to do a type foo http.ResponseWriter.
01:18 < [def]> yea, so now i'm trying to use my own type within the package
to work around this limitation
01:19 < vsmatck> oh what chomp said.
01:19 < Namegduf> Use functions.
01:19 < Namegduf> If you need it to meet an interface you can use your own
type, probably through embedding to keep methods
01:19 < Namegduf> But you really shouldn't do that every damn time you want
to write any of your own code
01:20 < Namegduf> You have functions, use them
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01:21 < [def]> use functions in which way?
01:21 < Namegduf> Write your "utility functions"
01:21 < Namegduf> As functions
01:21 < Namegduf> Which take the type you want them to operate on
01:21 < Namegduf> There's no reason utility functions should be methods
01:21 < Namegduf> The only, only thing methods can do which functions can't
is meet interfaces.
01:22 < [def]> you mean add http.ResponseWriter as first parameter?
01:22 < Namegduf> Yeah, sure
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01:22 < Namegduf> If you need to extend an external type to meet other
interfaces, embedding can make sense, and it makes sense if you're, well,
embedding it in something larger, but don't try to circumvent something the
language doesn't do just to not use functions.
01:22 < [def]> sure, easy enough but that trades away a lot of code clarity
01:23 < Namegduf> No, it doesn't.
01:23 < [def]> it's writer.Error("not found") is a lot more more memorable
API then error(writer, "not found")
01:23 < [def]> well
01:24 < [def]> in general at least
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01:24 < vsmatck> That's coke vs pepsi.
01:24 < [def]> this may simply be something i have to adjust to which is
fine
01:24 < Namegduf> It is.
01:24 < vsmatck> But coke is clearly superior.
01:24 < Namegduf> Go is not a language which has only methods, nor is it a
language where everything should be a method
01:25 < Namegduf> The stdlib has nice usage
01:25 < [def]> different question
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01:26 < skelterjohn> i agree with vsmatck.  pepsi is gross
01:26 < [def]> does http server from the stdlib create a new go routine for
incoming connections or do i need to do that myself?
01:26 < skelterjohn> mntn dew is delicious, though
01:26 < skelterjohn> my saving grace since my campus switched from coke to
pepsi
01:26 < skelterjohn> only pepsi product i can drink
01:26 < chomp> dr pepper > *
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01:31 < skelterjohn> i have dr pepper phases
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01:32 < vsmatck> I switched to diet dew a few months ago.  :-/ I don't get
enough physical activity to justify a lot of sugar/calories.
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01:33 < skelterjohn> me neither
01:33 < skelterjohn> but i feel like diet dew would be gross
01:33 < vsmatck> You just have to drink it long enough to where you forget
what the real thing tastes like.
01:35 < skelterjohn> that sounds sad :<
01:40 < vsmatck> Most things about my life are.  :-/
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02:37 < nteon> so if i have a function, and i want it to return one of
several possible structures, what is the best way to do that?  what im doing right
now is having a structure with a field 'kind' (which is an integer), and then
embedding that as the first field in the other structures, and then casting based
on what the value of kind is
02:42 < exch> you can also return interface{} and then do a type switch on
the return value to see what it actually is
02:50 < nteon> oh yea
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02:50 < nteon> i could do that too, couldn't i
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06:18 < Ekspluati> Can I use bufio.Reader on a net.Conn or would it hang
reading if there's no data coming and it's trying to fill the buffer?
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06:31 < nteon> Ekspluati: it will block waiting for data, but I think it
will only do one read(2) per Read() call to the reader
06:31 < nteon> thats generally what you want tho
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06:35 < Ekspluati> But I can't actually get the data before the read is
completed, right?
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06:37 < nteon> Ekspluati: correct
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06:38 < nteon> Ekspluati: but, you can just handle your request (and the
read) in a goroutine
06:38 < nteon> so you can other goroutines doing their thing while that
particular request is waiting for data
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06:38 < nteon> besides, if you don't have any data yet you don't have
anything to do :)
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06:39 < Ekspluati> The problem here is that if I only get 5 bytes and the
buffer is 6 bytes, I can't continue if the server is waiting for my response
before sending any more data ;)
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06:40 < Ekspluati> But anyway, I have to go
06:40 < Ekspluati> I'll think about this more later :D
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07:10 < nteon> if i have a reflect.Value, how do i get the uint8 it points
to?
07:11 < nteon> i guess i can use Value.Internal, even though it isn't
recommended
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07:46 < mehalelal> For anyone who was on earlier who helped me with my
problem (mainly nteon, uriel, and ww), I figured out what was wrong.  A huge duh
moment: the kernel was 64-bit but the userland was 32-bit
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07:47 < vegai> how did you do that?
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07:59 < mehalelal> vegai: I was going through a bunch of live cds and then
came to finnix, which said "uses a 64-bit kernel but only a 32-bit userland".
Since the other live cds had the same problem, I deduced that they also were using
32-bit userlands (to save on space).
07:59 < mehalelal> night all
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08:52 < genbattle> hiyas
08:53 < genbattle> i'm passing an argument into a method as type
[]interface{}, but it won't let me pass a []int
08:54 < genbattle> so i'm guessing the interface{} parameter type qualifier
only works for structs or soemthing?
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08:56 < genbattle> ech, sorry, got disconnected
08:56 < genbattle> did anyone have an answer to my query?
08:56 < edsrzf> Yeah, you have to make a new []interface and then convert
each element of the []int
08:57 < edsrzf> []interface{}, I mean
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09:49 < genbattle> is there a better way to pass a generic array of any type
into a function other than using []interface{}
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09:50 < genbattle> it's a royal pain the ass to have to convert every item
in an array to an interface type to be able to pass it in as an []interface{}
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09:54 < wrtp> genbattle: why do you want do that?  i.e.  what's the function
that's accepting an array of interface{} ?
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09:55 < genbattle> wrtp: i want to be able to pass any array into a function
09:55 < fvbommel> genbattle: You could pass it as an interface{} itself, and
have the function panic if the argument isn't an array?
09:55 < wrtp> genbattle: if you really want that then you're best off using
reflection
09:55 < genbattle> ok
09:56 < wrtp> i.e.  pass a single value into the function and use reflection
to get the values out of it
09:56 < genbattle> hmmm
09:56 < wrtp> the fmt package does something similar to be able to print out
the contents of any array
09:56 < genbattle> i guess i have to think a bit more carefully about how i
want to do this
09:56 < genbattle> i'm trying to interface to a C function that accepts a
pointer to a memory location, and then a length in bits for the array
09:57 < genbattle> so i want to encapsulate all the unsafe and reflect stuff
i do within the cgo method
09:57 < wrtp> what does the C function do with that memory?
09:57 < genbattle> copies it
09:58 < genbattle> so it basically copies it byte by byte to another
location, regardless of the actual data within in
09:58 < genbattle> *it
09:58 < wrtp> well, if i really wanted to do that, i'd use reflection to
find out the address of the first element of the array and the size of the
elements
09:58 < wrtp> and then pass the size and the pointer to C
09:58 < wrtp> it'll only be two or three lines of code
09:58 < genbattle> that's what i'm doing
09:59 < genbattle> but i'm trying to encapsulate it all inside my cgo
function so I can just pass any array into the function and it just figures out
the length and pointer
10:00 < wrtp> e.g.  func(a interface{}) {av := reflect.ValueOf(a); ptr :=
av.Index(0).Addr(); len := av.Len(); ...  etc}
10:01 < genbattle> ok
10:01 < genbattle> that makes more sense
10:01 < genbattle> thanks
10:01 < wrtp> np
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10:17 < uriel> 09:55 < genbattle> wrtp: i want to be able to pass any
array into a function
10:17 < uriel> genbattle: you still didn't explain what you are trying to do
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10:19 < wrtp> uriel: they did later
10:19 < wrtp> something dodgy :-)
10:19 < genbattle> heh
10:20 < genbattle> uriel: the short of it was I wanted to be able to measure
the byte size of an array and get a pointer to the first element, but i wanted to
encapsulate the nastiness in my own cgo function so you could just pass in any
array without worrying about it
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10:26 < moraes> what is the point of variadics?  that seems a little random
to a newbie.  :P
10:27 < moraes> it is the same as *args in python, but must be of a single
type.
10:29 < uriel> moraes: the 'single type' can be interface{}
10:29 < uriel> not different from any other arguments, Go is statically
typed
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10:29 < moraes> can only be interface?
10:30 < moraes> no.
10:31 < moraes> i have to play around.
10:34 < wrtp> moraes: it's so you don't have to type fmt.Printf("%d",
[]interface{}{x}) :-)
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10:49 < moraes> wrtp, ok, i need to follow a tutorial from beginning to
finish instead of reading random things
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10:50 < moraes> final goal is to achieve the gopher plush toy
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11:08 < skelterjohn> morning
11:08 < str1ngs> hmm how do I convert C unsigned int to Go int?
11:08 < skelterjohn> int(theOtherKindOfInt)
11:08 < str1ngs> gah thanks think I'm half asleep still
11:08 < skelterjohn> i know the feeling
11:09 * str1ngs pours more dark roast :P
11:11 < str1ngs> I also need to convert a C struct to const struct not sure
if this is doable
11:12 < aiju> "const struct"?
11:12 < str1ngs> yes
11:12 < aiju> wtfi const struct?
11:12 < str1ngs> C type
11:12 < aiju> (const foo) ?
11:13 < str1ngs> I dont think go understands const
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11:13 < str1ngs> hmm I guess I could type cast it in C?
11:17 < skelterjohn> easiest way to figure out is to write a pretend C
function that takes the target type as a parameter, and call it from go
11:17 < skelterjohn> the compiler will tell you what type it expects
11:19 < str1ngs> ah then use something like fmt.Printf("%T",foo)
11:19 < str1ngs> ok will try that thanks
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11:52 < manveru> how can i do a select on a dynamic set of channels?
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11:54 < aiju> manveru: not at all
11:54 < manveru> oh damn
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11:58 < wrtp> manveru: why do you want to?
11:59 < wrtp> you can usually arrange that many goroutines write to a single
channel
11:59 < manveru> well, i have named job queues, and a user sends requests
that start/stop listening to names
12:01 < manveru> i'd prefer to have the queue not knowing about the client,
just exposing a channel each that clients can pull from
12:02 < manveru> i could iterate the channels, but that means that i cannot
use select semantics, i.e.  i'd have to do a non-blocking pop and manually slow
down the iteration
12:05 < wrtp> manveru: you could have one goroutine for each job queue and a
single channel for each queue for clients of that queue to read from
12:06 < manveru> yes
12:06 < manveru> but a client should be able to read from more than one job
queue
12:06 < wrtp> manveru: that's fine - a client will usually know how many
queues it wants to read from, so it can use select itself
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12:07 < manveru> well, i'm coding the client
12:07 < manveru> i get the names of the channels via a text protocol
12:08 < manveru> for example "watch foo\r\nwatch bar\r\n"
12:08 < manveru> then i find or create those queues and add them to a vector
in the client struct
12:09 < wrtp> what's generating the stuff to go in the queue?
12:09 < manveru> also the clients
12:10 < wrtp> also the clients and...  ?
12:10 < manveru> https://github.com/kr/beanstalkd/raw/v1.1/doc/protocol.txt
12:11 < manveru> see the put command
12:11 < manveru> i parse that, create a job struct, and put it into the job
queue that the client wants to put it in
12:12 < manveru> if the queue doesn't exist, i create it and start its
internal operation in a goroutine
12:12 * wrtp is looking
12:12 < manveru> to avoid shared state, i only allow communication with the
job queues through channels
12:14 < manveru> each job queue consists of 4 heaps, ordered differently,
which also only communicate with channels
12:16 < wrtp> i can't work out what data is returned as a result of a watch
command
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12:16 < manveru> "WATCHING <count>\r\n"
12:17 < manveru> count being the number of queues being watched
12:17 < wrtp> but no on-going data?
12:17 < manveru> no
12:17 < manveru> a client sends a "reserve" command to receive the next
ready job from any of the watched queues
12:18 < wrtp> so all the commands are strictly request-response?
12:18 < manveru> yes
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12:19 < wrtp> i think i'd have a goroutine per client, acting on behalf of
the client
12:19 < manveru> i have that
12:20 < wrtp> and a goroutine per queue, storing items in the queue and
sending on a channel to any client that reads on it
12:20 < manveru> yes, i have that
12:20 < wrtp> and also reading on the queue's "put" channel
12:21 < manveru> that's input-only
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12:21 < wrtp> then any client can add an item to a queue by sending on its
put channel
12:21 < manveru> yeah, got that too :)
12:21 < wrtp> what do you mean by "input-only"?
12:21 < manveru> for the client, they cannot read from a put channel
12:21 < wrtp> sure
12:22 < wrtp> in fact you'd probably just have a put method rather than a
channel.  guaranteed not to block.
12:22 < wrtp> so in that scenario i'm not sure i see where you want a
dynamic list of channels to select on
12:22 < manveru> so, my question again, how do i efficiently get data from a
dynamic number of queues?
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12:23 < wrtp> where in the protocol do you need to be able to wait on more
than one queue at once?
12:23 < manveru> a client can watch more than one queue at once
12:24 < wrtp> it looks to me like there's only one argument to the watch
command
12:24 < manveru> he can send "watch <tube>" and "ignore <tube>"
commands
12:25 < wrtp> yeah, but each one has only one reply, so i still don't see it
12:25 < manveru> the reply is the number of queues being watched at the
moment
12:25 < wrtp> ok
12:25 < manveru> the reserve command should select the first available job
from the watched queues
12:26 < wrtp> ah
12:27 < manveru> you understand now why i'd like to use select?  :)
12:27 < wrtp> and of course if you take from one queue, you don't want to
take from any of the others
12:27 < wrtp> yeah
12:28 < wrtp> does it matter if items are reordered in the queue?
12:28 < manveru> they are ordered by priority
12:28 < manveru> that's why i use a heap
12:29 < manveru> that's the "READY" part of the tube diagram
12:30 < manveru> hm
12:30 < manveru> i could probably start one goroutine per watched queue per
client
12:30 < wrtp> yeah, i've been thinking about that
12:30 < manveru> but that would be a pain to manage...
12:30 < wrtp> but i was wondering how best to get around the implied
buffering
12:31 < manveru> yeah
12:31 < manveru> hm
12:31 < wrtp> given that the queue is priority ordered, i don't think
there's a problem
12:31 < manveru> well, i think i know
12:32 < wrtp> you have a goroutine per watched queue per client, then they
put back all but the first item retrieved
12:32 < manveru> for { select { gotJob = <-queue: handle(job);
<-otherGotJob: ; } <-otherFinishedJob }
12:33 < manveru> something like that?
12:33 < manveru> i suspect that's still prone to races
12:33 < wrtp> hold on, i could sketch some code
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12:41 < wrtp> manveru: http://pastebin.com/WQkWa9aS
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12:46 < manveru> yeah
12:46 < wrtp> does that make sense/
12:46 < wrtp> ?
12:46 < manveru> so we basically risk taking more than one and putting them
back
12:46 < wrtp> yeah
12:47 < wrtp> but because the queues are pri ordered, that doesn't really
matter
12:47 < wrtp> there's another possibility actually
12:48 < manveru> well, assuming something like [1,1,2], and two workers,
priority 2 might be processed before priority 1
12:48 < wrtp> instead of sending actual jobs down the queue
12:48 < wrtp> yeah, that is true actually
12:48 < wrtp> ok so
12:48 < wrtp> instead of sending actual jobs down the queue
12:48 < wrtp> you send "job notifications"
12:48 < wrtp> which are sent as long as there are jobs in the queue
12:49 < wrtp> when you get a job notification, you can take a job from the
queue (protected with mutex)
12:49 < wrtp> or you can choose not to
12:49 < Sunil> any reason why os package doesn't have chroot syscall?
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12:49 < wrtp> manveru: actually, i think that maps better onto the problem
domain
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12:53 < wrtp> oh darn, that doesn't work
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12:58 < wrtp> manveru: http://pastebin.com/6xM9JgVB
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12:59 < wrtp> essentially when you retrieve a job from the queue, you
handshake with the central process to tell them whether to remove it from the
queue or not
12:59 < wrtp> i think that should work
13:00 < manveru> hm
13:01 < manveru> that sounds good enough, i think
13:01 < manveru> thanks :)
13:01 < wrtp> cool
13:02 < wrtp> note that it's important that the queue's channel is
unbuffered
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13:02 < manveru> yeah
13:03 < manveru> it can't do any background work, so i don't think that's an
issue
13:04 < wrtp> sorry, how does background work make a difference?
13:04 < wrtp> BTW the "for {" at the start of reader is spurius
13:04 < wrtp> s/ius/ious/
13:04 < wrtp> oh i see, if you wanted the queue manager to work in parallel
13:07 < wrtp> in fact reader was a bit mucked up.
http://pastebin.com/4KPJ03aA
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13:24 < hallas> better code fast...  judgement day coming soon OWOWOowowowo
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13:30 < jeremy_c> stupid people...  judgement day.
13:31 < hallas> if it happens!
13:31 < hallas> glad my karma is tip top
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13:32 < jeremy_c> don't think karma does the trick :-) but, getting a bit
off topic :-)
13:34 < dlowe> skype + .net = sky.net
13:34 < aiju> haha
13:34 < aiju> we're all doomed
13:37 * jeremy_c is just disappointed that one heretic makes millions of
Christians look stupid.
13:38 < delinka> the loudest voices get camera time.  it's a media world.
13:39 < delinka> ok, the wackiest ideas get camera time.
13:39 < jeremy_c> I think the craziest also.
13:39 < jeremy_c> yeah.
13:39 < dlowe> the ideas that will sell the most advertising
13:39 < aiju> what the fuck is this judgement day bullshit
13:39 < jeremy_c> and if the news reports it, it must be rtue!
13:40 < jeremy_c> aiju: some guy claims Saturday is Judgement day, the end
of the world.  Been in quite a few news sources.
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13:41 < dlowe> We'll all have to go through the same thing on Dec 2012 too
13:41 < dlowe> At least the End of the World parties are fun
13:41 < manveru> doubt they'll beat the ones from 2000
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13:49 < aiju> 21 April 2011 has been prophesied in the Terminator franchise
as "Judgement Day"
13:51 < aiju> 21 April 2011 has been prophesied in the Terminator franchise
as "Judgement Day"
13:51 < aiju> oops
13:51 < aiju> It will be on May 21st that God will raise up all the dead
that have ever died from their graves.
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13:53 < xyproto> aiju: Which religion is that?  If you mean christianity, I
challenge you to find the part where "graves" is actually mentioned.
13:53 < sauerbraten> What's the best way to execute commands with go?  I
thought of syscall.ForkExec, but will I ever know if the program returned
successfully?  Or would exec.Run be the better choice?
13:54 < aiju> xyproto: pseudochristianity
13:54 < pharris> Nah, it's just the "May Two-Four" weekend, when Canadians
wake up from hibernation.
13:54 < Tonnerre> Oh yeah, all the dead people who died in their graves…
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13:55 < delinka> it'd be terrible to die from a grave.  I'm not sure what
that means, but it sounds unfun.
13:55 < Tonnerre> So you didn't watch Kill Bill?
13:56 < xyproto> I don't like anything pseudo.  Except perhaps pseudo-random
numbers.  Those are cool.
13:56 < delinka> dying *in* a grave, and dying *from* a grave have different
meanings in my mind
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13:58 < xyproto> I especially like the idea of generating enormous levels
for games, using pseaudo-random numbers, with the same seed every time, to give
some level of control during the design phase.
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14:01 < wrtp> xyproto: c.f.  Elite
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14:03 < xyproto> wrtp: exactly :)
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14:03 < exch> minecraft!
14:03 < ampleyfly> Autobahn!
14:04 < xyproto> robotfindskitten?  :P
14:04 < xyproto> no, that's a new every time
14:04 < xyproto> *new seed
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14:06 < xyproto> robotfindskitten is an excellent zen simulator, btw
14:09 < jeremy_c> w/googlecode is there a way to ask repo xyz to pull from
your repo abc which is a clone w/fixes of xyz (like github)?
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14:43 < xyproto> Are there any plans to rewrite 6g in Go?
14:44 < str1ngs> I have a struct generated by godef . but I cant figure out
how to have the C method that return that type convert it to the go struct.  here
is the example code https://gist.github.com/980916
14:44 < str1ngs> actually C function sorry
14:46 < wrtp> str1ngs: i think you'd have to use unsafe pointer conversion
14:47 < str1ngs> wrtp: ya I know how to pass an empty struct this way to a C
function but not when it returns like this
14:48 < wrtp> str1ngs: do the call, then take the address of the returned
value and convert it to a pointer to IndexEntry
14:49 < str1ngs> ah good idea let me play with that
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14:49 < gmilleramilar> xyproto: not really practical at this point, as you'd
have a bootstrapping issue.  It would make more sense to write an additional
compiler, but you'd still have to maintain both.
14:51 < xyproto> gmilleramilar: ah, you mean a bootstrapping issue on new
platforms, where a go compiler does not exist yet?
14:52 < gmilleramilar> yes.
14:52 < xyproto> gmilleramilar: I see.  While you can count on a C compiling
being there in the first place.  That makes sense.
14:53 < xyproto> gmilleramilar: It would be quite exotic platforms, though?
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14:55 < manveru> wrtp: i think i have another crazy solution
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14:57 < wrtp> manveru: go on
14:57 < wrtp> (i quite liked my idea)
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15:02 < manveru> heh
15:02 < manveru> yeah, just ran into more trouble
15:04 < manveru> sorry, gotta discuss that later, battery is running out
15:08 < str1ngs> wrtp: I just posted it to the ML. because I'm kinda lost on
this one
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15:10 < wrtp> manveru: np
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15:10 < wrtp> manveru: PS i advise mains electricity :-)
15:12 < chomp> str1ngs, what's the problem now?  i've been doing a lot of
Cgo lately.
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15:13 < str1ngs> chomp: I need to convert a C function return value to a
godef generated struct
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15:13 < chomp> code?
15:14 < str1ngs> https://gist.github.com/980916
15:14 < str1ngs> basically I need index_extry to become IndexEntry
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15:16 < exch> I assume the struct layout generated by godef is identical to
the C version?  If so, wouldn't a cast like index_entry -> unsafe.pointer ->
IndexEntry work?
15:16 < chomp> having trouble finding the git documentation for index_entry
15:16 < chomp> but that looks like an easy thing to do
15:16 < wrtp> exch: that's what i suggested
15:16 < str1ngs> chomp: its actually from libgit2 git_index_entry
15:17 < wrtp> go_index_entry = (*IndexEntry)(unsafe.Pointer(&index_entry))
15:18 < str1ngs> ah that makes sense wrtp
15:20 < str1ngs> wrtp: ok that works thank you
15:22 < wrtp> cool
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15:24 < str1ngs> I just had to use (index_entry) since its a pointer already
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15:38 < delinka> is there a better way to append elements to an array
besides reallocating and copying to a new one?
15:39 < jeremy_c> not sure of the internals, but append?  Is that what
append() is doing?
15:40 <+iant> delinka: that is the only way to append to an array, but you
can append to a slice by using the append() builtin, and that is probably what you
want to be doing
15:41 < jeremy_c>
http://golang.org/doc/go_spec.html#Appending_and_copying_slices
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15:56 < ksni> http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~blynn/c2go/ch02.html What
does the first line of the for loop in the simple Go cat do?  Do b and er get the
same value?
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16:00 < exch> ksni: in.ReadByte() returns two values.  A byte and a possible
error
16:00 < exch> Go supports multiple return values
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16:04 < hallas> Dont understand that standard course thing, they're
comparing lenght of programs?
16:04 < hallas> standard = stanford
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16:11 < Ekspluati> haalas: I agree.  It should be readability that matters.
16:13 < str1ngs> eh why not just use io.Copy
16:14 < str1ngs> and do you really need bufio for cat?  maybe for output?
16:16 < wrtp> str1ngs: +1
16:16 < str1ngs> io.Copy(os.Stdin,os.Stdout)
16:16 < str1ngs> simple
16:16 < wrtp> other way around, but yeah
16:16 < hallas> str1ngs: if he really wanted it short, STOP importing FMT
and just use println :D ?
16:16 < str1ngs> did I get tose reversed I always do
16:16 < wrtp> destination first
16:16 < str1ngs> hallas: not thats bad
16:17 < str1ngs> hallas: println = fmt.Println :P
16:17 < hallas> I know, but, if it was about source being small :P
16:17 < gmilleramilar> println = fmt.Fprintln(os.Stderr, ...)
16:18 < hallas> Stderr?  You sure?
16:18 < hallas> Didnt know that
16:18 < gmilleramilar> pretty sure
16:18 < hallas> xD
16:18 < hallas> well I use fmt my self
16:20 < str1ngs> and use flag package
16:20 < gmilleramilar> yes, just confirmed, it's stderr
16:22 < str1ngs> only problem is Stderr can not be redirected
16:22 < str1ngs> ie goprogram | grep stuff
16:22 < str1ngs> you have to use Stdout for that
16:22 < Tonnerre> Well
16:22 < Tonnerre> goprogram 2| grep stuff
16:22 < Tonnerre> Or goprogram 2>&1 | grep stuff
16:22 < str1ngs> true
16:24 < skelterjohn> never seen 2>&1
16:25 < str1ngs> so it would be better practice to always use Stderr for
program output.  and Stdout reseverd for piping?
16:25 < Tonnerre> skelterjohn: do you use csh?
16:25 < skelterjohn> bash
16:25 < hallas> aeewuuu
16:25 < Tonnerre> skelterjohn: then your shell has that
16:25 < skelterjohn> what does it mean?
16:25 < Tonnerre> skelterjohn: it redirects the file descriptor 2 and merges
it into file descriptor 1
16:26 < skelterjohn> what would happen otherwise?  i mean, there's no
stderrin
16:26 < skelterjohn> doesn't 2> put on stdin?
16:26 < str1ngs> skelterjohn: man bash . REDIRECTION section
16:27 < skelterjohn> i'd rather someone told me O:-)
16:27 < str1ngs> lazy bastard :P
16:27 < skelterjohn> i don't demand it, but i also don't feel like reading
man pages
16:29 < str1ngs> skelterjohn: redirect bots stdin and stdout
16:29 < str1ngs> both*
16:29 < skelterjohn> thanks
16:29 < str1ngs> 2 is stderr
16:29 < str1ngs> 1 is stdout 0 is stdin
16:29 < skelterjohn> i might add that your explanation was shorter than your
redirect to the man page :)
16:29 < str1ngs> you can make more fd's with exec but that complicated
16:30 < wrtp> println is intended for debugging, not regular use
16:30 < str1ngs> I did referer to the man pages since I get confused with it
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16:39 < hallas> hmm doesnt define: <keyword> work anymore on Google?
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16:41 < skelterjohn> still works
16:41 < skelterjohn> not the same as it used to
16:41 < skelterjohn> but the first entry is a dictionary definitin
16:41 < skelterjohn> definition
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16:43 < hallas> doesnt work
16:43 < hallas> what exactly do you search for?
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16:46 < skelterjohn> define: dragon
16:46 < skelterjohn> first thing that came to mind
16:46 < hallas> my first hit is, www.dragonfable.com
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16:47 < skelterjohn> my 6th hit
16:47 < hallas> Aha, great, works when I use google.com, instead my
localized version google.dk, or by explicitly setting my language to english.
16:47 < hallas> thanks
16:47 < skelterjohn> cool
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16:59 < jeremy_c> skelterjohn: is there a way for gb to build many cmds in
one dir?  i.e.  myproject/pkg1, myproject/pk2, myproject/demos ...  demos contains
15 .go files, each one has a func main().  Can gb detect that and build 15 .exes?
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17:03 < skelterjohn> they need to be in 15 directories
17:03 < skelterjohn> one directory per target
17:03 < skelterjohn> but you can create a custom makefile and run gb -m and
it will use any that it finds
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17:06 < jeremy_c> skelterjohn: would it be a viable feature request to have
it scan the sources for func main() and if func main() then build it as an
executable instead of 1 target per dir?
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17:06 < jeremy_c> I guess the problem would be what happens if you have
demo.go that depends on helper.go
17:06 < skelterjohn> sorry, no.  what if you had two sources with main() and
one with supportin gfunctions?
17:06 < skelterjohn> right
17:07 < skelterjohn> and although you could come up with some reasonable
convention for handling that, i prefer to keep things simple
17:07 < skelterjohn> it is completely obvious what you mean if you have one
target per directory
17:07 < jeremy_c> I may movew to 1 dir per target, cause gb is pretty slick
:-)
17:07 < skelterjohn> :)
17:08 < skelterjohn> it's consistent with what goinstall likes, too
17:08 < jeremy_c> I have not tried it on cgo files yet, does it handle that
ok?  even with embedded #cgo windows: LDFLAGS=ABC XYZ ?
17:08 < skelterjohn> it almost handles that ok...  it handles #cgo
LDFLAGS=some stuff
17:08 < skelterjohn> i haven't added the "windows:" bit yet...
17:09 < jeremy_c> doesn't handle windows: ? I have to link diff libs on
windows than linux
17:09 < skelterjohn> yes
17:09 < skelterjohn> it should really do this
17:09 < jeremy_c> ok...  guess I'll have to wait :-(
17:09 < skelterjohn> i just haven't gotten around to it
17:09 < skelterjohn> in the mean time, you can have src_windows.go and
src_linux.go
17:09 < skelterjohn> each one only having a different #cgo
17:10 < jeremy_c> I'd have a lot of those, each for each package I have.
17:10 < jeremy_c> one for each...  I mean
17:11 < skelterjohn> yeah, it's silly
17:11 < skelterjohn> i'm looking at doing it the right way now
17:11 < skelterjohn> shouldn't be hard.
17:11 < jeremy_c> one more question, if I get rid of make files, goinstall
won't work any longer, will it?
17:11 < skelterjohn> goinstall ignores your makefiles
17:12 < skelterjohn> completely
17:12 < jeremy_c> oh.  ok.  I know many packages I have to install by hand
because they have CGO_LDFLAGS=-lsqlite3 for example in their makefile instead of
in their source files.
17:13 < jeremy_c> and goinstall fails, sqlite3_xyz undefined...
17:13 < skelterjohn> you should tell the authors :)
17:13 < jeremy_c> ok, I'm going to play some more with gb.  thanks.
17:13 < skelterjohn> np
17:13 < str1ngs> jeremy_c: use #cgo LDFLAGS: -lsqlite3
17:14 < jeremy_c> right, I do that in my sources, but for example go-sqlite3
uses makefiles.
17:14 < str1ngs> https://gist.github.com/981265
17:14 < str1ngs> ah sorry
17:14 < str1ngs> fork it fix it and pull request :P
17:15 < jeremy_c> yeah, shouldn't complain just fix, eh?
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17:16 < str1ngs> is it on github?
17:17 < jeremy_c> yup.  easy to fix, I know.
17:17 < str1ngs> I'll look at it then
17:17 < jeremy_c> https://github.com/kuroneko/gosqlite3
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17:19 < str1ngs> does mac not support this ???
17:19 < str1ngs> err failed paste
17:19 < str1ngs> -lsqlite3
17:20 < str1ngs> https://github.com/kuroneko/gosqlite3/blob/master/Makefile
he does a OS check for Mac I guess
17:20 < jeremy_c> dunno.
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17:23 < skelterjohn> static links it on mac?
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17:27 < skelterjohn> mac does, in generall, support -l for gcc
17:27 < skelterjohn> -lm works, at least
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17:29 < str1ngs> goinstall -v github.com/str1ngs/gosqlite3
17:29 < str1ngs> someone on mac try that please
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17:32 < skelterjohn> jeremy_c: gb likes #cgo <os> <flag> now
17:32 < skelterjohn> if you pull the latest
17:32 < jeremy_c> skelterjohn: oh, wow!
17:33 < skelterjohn> don't get too excited - pretty trivial change
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17:33 < skelterjohn> str1ngs: seems to have worked
17:33 < jeremy_c> doesn't matter how trivial the change was, impact is prior
= couldn't use, later = can use ...  impact = big!
17:34 < skelterjohn> good :)
17:34 < skelterjohn> i'd been meaning to do it for a long time - i think i
was just waiting for someone to ask for it
17:35 < skelterjohn> otherwise it would feel too much like high five-ing
myself
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17:36 < mpl> skelterjohn: what's wrong with that?  :)
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17:36 < mpl> not as cool as a fist bump, granted.
17:36 < jeremy_c> right now gomake is just a shell wrapper around goinstall.
In a recent issue I reported I learned goinstall is going to be renamed gomake in
a little bit.  Any idea how that will affect gb?  Will it maybe replace it?
17:37 < skelterjohn> gb and future gomake/goinstall will mostly do the same
thing
17:37 < skelterjohn> gb does some extra stuff people might find useful
17:38 < skelterjohn> i will try to keep it so that gb can install anything
that future-gomake can
17:38 < skelterjohn> will involve adding GOPATH functionality at some point
17:38 < jeremy_c> sounds good
17:39 < skelterjohn> but if future-gomake becomes the de facto and people
don't want to use gb anymore, i'll stop supporting it
17:39 < skelterjohn> that's really code for "as long as i personally use gb,
i'll keep it running" O:-)
17:41 < str1ngs> skelterjohn: thanks I ended up boot my mac and doing gotest
to be safe
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17:43 < str1ngs> jeremy_c: I did a pull request so you can us goinstall if
he merges
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17:44 < skelterjohn> just use str1ngs's version until then
17:44 < skelterjohn> nice thing about github and goinstall...  all you
change is the import path
17:44 < skelterjohn> nothing else
17:45 < str1ngs> yes but that also means I have to rebase :P
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18:12 < jeremy_c> goinstall is defunct on windows right now :-/
18:13 < jeremy_c> I'll give it a try when I boot back into Linux.
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18:56 < ww> make(it) ? stop : true
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19:05 < jeremy_c> I remember a tutorial about readers/writers and chaining
them.  It read and did a rot13 in the process, now I can't find it.  Anyone know
which doc I am talking about and happen to have the URL?
19:07 < ww> jeremy_c: i think you're talking about the rotting cats section
of http://golang.org/doc/go_tutorial.html
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19:08 < jeremy_c> ww: duh!  I looked at the start of it and saw the cat
example and said, no, that's not it and continued searching...  should have read
further :-/
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19:26 < wentao> is there any go package to convert GB2312 to UTF8?
19:28 < niemeyer> wentao: I recall someone coming up with an iconv package
19:28 < niemeyer> Maybe even wrtp?
19:28 < wentao> iconv?
19:28 < wrtp> niemeyer: yeah
19:28 < wrtp> go-charset
19:29 < wentao> thanks, let me check
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19:29 < ww> wentao: go-lang.cat-v.org is a useful resource for those
things...
19:29 < exch> go-charset doesnt need CGO, so that would be my choice
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19:29 < ww> wrtp: go-charset doesn't happen to do marc8 does it?
19:30 < wrtp> ww: go-charset has an iconv module that can stand in until
go-charset does 'em all
19:30 < wrtp> ww: so you can use the same interface
19:31 < ww> not certain iconv does it...  but may be wrong there...
19:32 < ww> iconv --list | grep -i marc
19:32 < ww> :(
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19:33 < ww> marc8 is important in a very particular setting (libraries)
19:33 < wentao> go-charset supports the following charsets: big5 ibm437
ibm850 ibm866 iso-8859-1 iso-8859-10 iso-8859-15 iso-8859-2 iso-8859-3 iso-8859-4
iso-8859-5 iso-8859-6 iso-8859-7 iso-8859-8 iso-8859-9 koi8-r utf-16 utf-16be
utf-16le utf-8 windows-1250 windows-1251 windows-1252
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19:33 < wentao> i'm note sure whether gb2312 is in the list...
19:35 < ww> wentao: it is supported by iconv itself, see wrtp's suggestion
re: charset/iconv
19:35 < aiju> just set up your own converter
19:35 < aiju> oh chinese
19:35 < wrtp> i need to spend some time running up some more conversions.
19:35 < aiju> never mind ;P
19:36 < wrtp> also, contributions gratefully received - i've enabled
codereview for go-charset
19:36 < wentao> it seems go-charset will use iconv to do other encodings?
19:36 < wrtp> wentao: yes, it can
19:36 < exch> only if you tell it to do so
19:36 < wrtp> wentao: but that doesn't help if you want to be pure Go (e.g.
you want to run on google app engine)
19:37 < wentao> iconv has more supported encodings :)
19:37 < wrtp> wentao: yeah, but it's written in C. and it's huge!
19:37 < wentao> yes, that's the problem i'm running into
19:37 < wrtp> wentao: what encodings do you need?
19:37 < wentao> i can't convert encoding on appengine
19:37 < wentao> GB2312 to UTF8
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19:38 < wentao> i'm wondering if is is easy to translate encoding lib from
other languages to Go?
19:38 < aiju> wentao: it's probably just one giant lookup table
19:38 < aiju> or something
19:38 < wentao> so it's possible, i guess
19:38 < wrtp> wentao: go-charset supports GB2312 natively
19:39 < wentao> really, that's cool
19:39 < wentao> i didn't see it on the list
19:39 < wrtp> wentao: although, looking at it, it doesn't support
utf8->GB2312 conversion
19:39 < ww> https://www.indexdata.com/yaz has a marc8 support...  hrmmm...
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19:44 < taruti> Is there any native text encoding library?
19:44 < Namegduf> "native text encoding"?
19:45 < taruti> Namegduf: iso-8859-1/wincp-1252/iso-2022 => utf8
19:45 < taruti> without external C libraries
19:45 < ww> taruti: i believe go-charset does those
19:45 < ww> certainly iso-8859-1 it would
19:46 < taruti> thanks
19:46 < aiju> that horrible Windows way of handling things
19:46 < wrtp> hmm looks like go-charset has broken since i last looked at it
19:46 < aiju> randomly use some perhaps appropriate charset
19:47 < taruti> goinstalls fine here
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19:55 < wrtp> it's not really broken, i'd just forgotten how it worked
19:56 < wrtp> taruti: yes, go-charset should work
19:56 < wrtp> if you're distributing it, watch out that it requires some
external data files rather than baking it all into the binary
19:57 < taruti> ick
19:57 < wrtp> you can set CharsetDir to point to the place where the
libraries are (default under $GOROOT)
19:57 < taruti> and gnu gpl to boot :(
19:57 < wrtp> i think that better, personally - most charsets are almost
never used
19:58 < wrtp> oh, i'll change the license
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19:58 < wrtp> what's the preferred license?
19:58 < aiju> WTFPL
19:58 < taruti> anything bsd/mit compatible
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19:58 < Namegduf> CC0 is simplest MIT compatible
19:58 < aiju> WTFPL is simpler
19:58 < Namegduf> WTFPL is like CC0 for attention whores
19:58 < Namegduf> And no, it isn't
19:59 < Namegduf> It's shorter but not simpler in semantics.
19:59 < wrtp> oh jeeze.
19:59 < wrtp> what's the license that go's under - i'll just choose that
19:59 < Namegduf> Key thing is anything not copyleft.
19:59 < aiju> MIT
19:59 < taruti> modified bsd
19:59 < aiju> iirc
19:59 < wrtp> i don't do licensing issues
19:59 < aiju> oh lol
20:00 < taruti> http://golang.org/LICENSE
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20:00 < wrtp> New BSD license ok?
20:00 < taruti> yes
20:01 < wrtp> done
20:01 < taruti> thanks :)
20:01 < wrtp> np
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20:05 * ww likes copyleft
20:05 < Namegduf> I do too, myself.
20:06 < aiju> copyleft is copyright in disguise
20:07 < Namegduf> Copyleft relies on copyright, yes
20:07 < Namegduf> You hate copyright?
20:07 < aiju> yup
20:07 < aiju> the whole idea of "owning" a piece of information
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20:08 * ww too
20:08 < dlowe> consider it as having exclusive publishing rights for a
limited duration instead of outright ownership
20:08 < ww> copyleft is a kludge to try to prevent other peoeple from
claiming to own pieces of information
20:09 < ww> nobody sane pretends its anything but
20:09 < dlowe> the only problem in practice now is that the limited duration
has gotten lots of unethical extensions
20:10 < chomp> the limited duration should be something like 6 months
instead of life+70
20:11 < ww> http://archive.groovy.net/syntac for some old writings, salient
quotation, "Therefor we hold all attempts to claim ownership or exclusive
authorship of an Expression to be the essential FRAUD."
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20:14 < ww> no bones.  intellectual property is fraud.  copyleft is like
jujitsu against fraudsters
20:14 < aiju> i see no "fraud" in mixing GPL and BSD code
20:15 < ww> 'the whole idea of "owning" a piece of information' is the fraud
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20:26 < skelterjohn> i'd guess no
20:26 < ww> yes...  found in real data
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20:49 < uriel> ww: found in real data?  O_o
20:49 < uriel> wow
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20:53 < ww> uriel: libraries...  check your sanity at the door please...
20:59 < str1ngs> hey, my great great grand pappy wrote that \o/
21:02 < taruti> Added an email parsing library :)
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21:54 < exch> uriel: here's an entry for the Library Bindings page.  as a
lightweight alternative to SDL https://github.com/jteeuwen/glfw
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22:06 < skelterjohn> exch: does it work with goinstall?
22:07 < exch> not if goinstall hates cgo
22:07 < exch> does it still do that?
22:07 < skelterjohn> the only issue i see is the pkg-config stuff
22:07 < skelterjohn> it does not
22:07 < skelterjohn> you can put in a comment // #cgo LDFLAGS: -lsomething
22:07 < niemeyer_> exch: Hmm..  it works with cgo for quite a while
22:07 < skelterjohn> but i don't know about using backticks
22:07 < exch> mm I shall investigate
22:08 < skelterjohn> niemeyer_: i see this in his makefile: CGO_CFLAGS =
`pkg-config --cflags libglfw`
22:08 < niemeyer_> skelterjohn: That won't work, no
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22:09 < skelterjohn> exch: http://pastebin.com/RWZVt91d
22:10 < exch> weird
22:10 < exch> have no issues with that here
22:11 < exch> that actually looks like some cgo issue I had with another lib
a while ago
22:11 < exch> it was fixed after some go update though
22:11 < skelterjohn> i'm wondering why a .a file would get put there
22:11 < skelterjohn> certainly not my goroot
22:11 < skelterjohn> or is .a a generic archive format?
22:12 < skelterjohn> otherwise it would be glfw.a....
22:12 < skelterjohn> right, i have a mismatched version of glfw
22:12 < exch> afaik, it is also created if you build a static library with
gcc.  Not necessarily something that Go does
22:12 < str1ngs> .a is ar format
22:13 < exch> that would be more accurate yes.  gcc has little to do with it
22:13 < skelterjohn> the whole hybrid 32/64 bit thing w/ os x is a pain
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22:14 < exch> If I want to make it goinstall compatible, i'll have to add a
line like this: //#cgo LDFLAGS = -pthread -L/usr/lib -lglfw -lGL -lX11 -lXrandr
-lm
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22:14 < exch> that's hardly a portable solution :s
22:14 < exch> this is why pkg-config was invented
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22:14 < str1ngs> exch: it should use ldconfig to handle the rest no?
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22:15 < str1ngs> so probably dont need -L/usr/lib
22:15 < skelterjohn> in the makefile yes, but cgo doesn't recognize
backticks
22:15 < str1ngs> just add all the -l
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22:15 < skelterjohn> oh, i misunderstood
22:15 < skelterjohn> the issue here is that it varies from system to system
22:15 < ww> ye -pthread may be problematic there
22:16 < str1ngs> ww: what I was thinking to
22:16 < skelterjohn> if you can filter based on OS
22:16 < skelterjohn> you can use OS specific #cgo tags
22:16 < skelterjohn> but it might be worthwhile to ask for cgo to use
backticks
22:16 < skelterjohn> i'll file an issue
22:16 < str1ngs> skelterjohn: no thats a bad idea
22:16 < ww> i usually throw in -L/usr/local/lib (and -I/usr/local/include
for CFLAGS) because sometimes/often people install things there
22:17 < uriel> exch: interesting, thanks
22:17 < str1ngs> skelterjohn: think.  if someone just randomly put `rm -r
~/`
22:17 < skelterjohn> eek
22:17 < ww> but less likely for those particular libraries perhaps
22:17 < skelterjohn> well, what if someone put that in the makefile?
22:18 < skelterjohn> but i agree it's easier to goinstall w/out looking than
make
22:18 < exch> $GOOS specific #cgotags might be handy
22:18 < exch> #cgo_linux: etc
22:18 < skelterjohn> exch: // #cgo $GOOS LDFLAGS: someflags
22:18 < str1ngs> skelterjohn: its not like someone would do that.  but
someone would abuse it
22:18 < skelterjohn> that works
22:18 < ww> we have that
22:18 < exch> ah cool
22:18 < skelterjohn> golang.org/cmd/cgo outlines it
22:19 < ww> *but* the differences may not be OS but what lunix calls
"distribution"
22:19 < ww> redhat and suse put things in /opt...  debian has its own
conventions...  sometimes people install things from source in /usr/local
22:19 < jeremy_c> skelterjohn: I am falling in love with gb, good job!  Have
not yet converted go-iup to use it though, that's what has #cgo windows, #cog
linux, ...
22:19 < str1ngs> ww: they can set LD_LIBRARY_PATH if the have brains :P
22:20 < ww> str1ngs: and for includes?
22:20 < skelterjohn> jeremy_c: latest commit has it
22:20 < skelterjohn> and i'm glad you like it :)
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22:20 < str1ngs> ww: if there using some crazy place they can use make
22:20 < str1ngs> can only support so much imo
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22:21 < ww> "crazy" is relative and to quote someone wise, "that's why
pkg-config" was invented
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22:21 < str1ngs> pkg-config does more then just that though
22:21 < ww> not to mention all the auto* stuff...
22:22 < str1ngs> I like it . I just dont see a sane way to use it with
goinstall
22:22 < skelterjohn> i filed
http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=1853 and mentioned the rm -r caveat
22:22 < str1ngs> thats why goinstall doesnt use makefiles
22:23 < ww> anyways, i make a habit of putting /usr/local because i think
it's common and not crazy
22:23 < ww> /opt is crazy
22:23 < str1ngs> ww: yes its so common that its already probably included
22:23 < str1ngs> -L defaults are gcc spec files?
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22:24 < ww> -I/usr/local/include is definitely not included by default on
any system i've paid attention to
22:24 < str1ngs> it is on mine
22:24 < skelterjohn> by default?  or did you add it yourself
22:24 < ww> different story with -L
22:25 < str1ngs> mind you /usr/local/lib is not included
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22:26 < str1ngs> ww: anyways ya doesnt hurt to add it
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22:27 < ww> appscale is a really strange thing
22:28 < exch> http://pastie.org/private/cdou9xfgeudswdc0l6w this would be
what I can do.  No idea what would be needed for darwin or windows though
22:28 < skelterjohn> i really think when you install a library, it should go
to a place you don't need to specify each time
22:29 < skelterjohn> exch: on os x http://pastie.org/1929004
22:29 < ww> are tbere]]
22:29 < exch> thanks
22:29 < ww> argh
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22:30 < skelterjohn> ww: i think so
22:30 < ww> worthwhile -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include/X11 and
-L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/lib/X11 or are those obsolete?
22:30 < ww> istr those were common building X things in the past
22:30 < ww> been a while since i've done that in anger
22:31 < str1ngs> mainly /usr/include/X11/ now I think
22:31 < skelterjohn> should just use <X11/something.h> for the
#includes
22:32 < str1ngs> ya thats what I said :P
22:33 < ww> skelterjohn: that would break on /usr/X11R6 installations, but
as str1ngs says they may be obsolescent and in any case are easily made happy with
a symlink
22:33 < exch> ok, should be working with goinstall now
22:33 < exch> did for me anyway
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22:33 < ww> i'm sure if there are actual problems with the flags, bug
reports will flood^H^H^H^Htrickle in
22:34 < skelterjohn> exch: no windows support?  O:-)
22:34 < str1ngs> poor windows :(
22:34 < exch> ha if someone wants it, they can file a bugreport :p
22:34 < skelterjohn> ww: yeah unfortunately right now the more common
response to something not working is to just forget about it and use something
else
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22:40 < str1ngs> skelterjohn: an idea though is to have goinstall run
pkg-config against say a PKGCONFIG:
22:41 < str1ngs> this way its not running random shell commands
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23:02 < skelterjohn> that starts the habit of adding special cases
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23:04 < str1ngs> or we call all hardcode them and hope they work :P
23:04 < str1ngs> in this case I would think pkg-config compliments goinstall
nicely
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23:05 < exch> But of course windows has no such thing
23:05 < str1ngs> of course and not all libs use pkg-config
23:06 * exch cries
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23:06 < str1ngs> welcome to C lib hell
23:06 < exch> oh well.  it works for now
23:06 < exch> with windows support!
23:07 < exch> i'm such a nice guy
23:07 < str1ngs> hehe
23:07 < skelterjohn> "goinstall support for Windows (I hope)." well tested,
i'm sure
23:08 < exch> shh
23:08 < exch> I picked the lib requirements from the examples in the glfw C
source
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