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00:05 < jfalcon> is there a go unit testing framework?
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00:07 < |Craig|> jfalcon: http://golang.org/cmd/gotest/ and
http://golang.org/pkg/testing/
00:07 < jfalcon> thanks
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00:23 < uriel> adg: ah, thanks, I searched but missed, no clue how I missed
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01:01 < icey> Does anyone know if gocode (the autocomplete tool) is working
with emacs on weekly?
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01:03 < skelterjohn> icey: I don't know if anyone has stepped up to maintain
it
01:04 < skelterjohn> the author has left it behind and asked for volunteers
01:04 < skelterjohn> check the commit activity on github
01:05 < icey> skelterjohn: there was a commit yesterday; but it looks like
it was made for windows compatibility.  thanks though
01:05 < skelterjohn> have you tried and found that it did not work with the
weekly?
01:05 < icey> skelterjohn: it's not working for me, but it's probably just a
config issue on my side; wasn't sure if i was spinning my wheels trying to
troubleshoot it or not
01:06 < skelterjohn> ok, i'm sorry that i can't help you with specifics - i
don't use it
01:06 < icey> skelterjohn: it's cool; mostly i was just checking to see if
anyone said "nope, doesn't work".  since it is in the state of "maybe it works"
then i'll troubleshoot further.  thanks again!
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06:07 < manveru> how do i get the backtrace from a recovered panic?
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06:37 < edsrzf> manveru: Import runtime/debug.  In the function that did the
recovering, call debug.PrintStack (or just debug.Stack to get the stack as a
string).
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08:16 < b33p> what
08:16 < b33p> 's the quickest way to add gob/debug package?
08:17 < b33p> Thanks!
08:17 < edsrzf> b33p: I'm not sure what you mean
08:18 < b33p> In docs for gob it says debug functions are available nut i
can't access them.
08:19 < b33p> reading the source it says you need to edit make file.
08:19 < b33p> Add debug.go to the files listed in the Makefile to add Debug
to the gob package.
08:20 < edsrzf> Oh, I see
08:21 < edsrzf> You just need to do what it says: add debug.go to
src/pkg/gob/Makefile and then rebuild that package.
08:21 < b33p> Thanks
08:21 < b33p> I was looking in the src/
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08:35 < mehalelal> Hello everybody.  I am getting this error on one machine:
"panic: runtime error: invalid memory address or nil pointer reference".  I
compiled the code on another machine and it works there.  It is a very simple
program, here is the code: http://pastie.org/1975223
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08:59 < wrtp> mehalelal: you shouldn't leave so soon after asking a question
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11:22 < manveru> ok, this is getting silly...  i have 4 copies of
container/vector for an alias of the same type, just so i can define Less for each
to use it as heap...
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11:45 < wrtp> manveru: why bother?  you could do it with four lines, or just
one and a less function for each.
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11:46 < wrtp> i would never copy container/vector - there's no point in it
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11:52 < mpl> in the http package, what do they mean exactly by service
thread (which serves the connection and call the appropriate handler)?  are they
mapped onto a thread or a goroutine?  should I assume they will preempt each other
or not?
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11:59 < wrtp> mpl: they mean a service goroutine really
12:00 < wrtp> and you should assume they can preempt each other
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12:00 < mpl> wrtp: how come, if they are goroutine?
12:00 < mpl> *goroutines
12:01 < wrtp> mpl: because goroutines can run in parallel
12:01 < mpl> hmm
12:01 < mpl> and is there a way I could prevent that?
12:01 < mpl> appart from introducing locks.
12:02 < manveru> wrtp: how'd you do that?
12:02 < manveru> i mean, without type assertions
12:02 < manveru> i really wanna keep interface{} out of this
12:03 < wrtp> manveru: if you're using container/heap, you're using
interface{}
12:03 < manveru> no, i modified it for my type
12:04 < wrtp> manveru: so you're copying and pasting all of container/vector
and container/heap?
12:04 < manveru> yes
12:04 < wrtp> honestly, there's no need
12:05 < manveru> well, not manually of course, just gofmt
12:05 < manveru> just like the go devs made StringVector and the like
12:05 < wrtp> just put a type safe wrapper around the dynamically typed
methods
12:05 < wrtp> manveru: that is the *only* place in the entire source tree
that does that
12:05 < manveru> well, they obviously thought it'd be a good idea :)
12:05 < wrtp> manveru: it's only worth it there because it's a low level
building block
12:06 < wrtp> they obviously don't think it's a good idea anywhere else :-)
12:06 < manveru> i don't care about anywhere else...
12:06 < manveru> it works fine, just bothersome to have that much
boilerplate to emulate generics
12:06 < wrtp> manveru: you can do something like this:
http://pastebin.com/Hjmmy0En
12:07 < wrtp> don't try to emulate generics
12:08 < wrtp> mpl: you'll have to introduce locks
12:08 < wrtp> mpl: or a goroutine to talk to
12:08 < Namegduf> Having them talk to a goroutine is prettiest
12:08 < wrtp> Namegduf: depends on what you're doing
12:08 < wrtp> Namegduf: sometimes a mutex is more natural
12:08 < Namegduf> True.
12:09 < manveru> yeah...
12:09 < manveru> oh well, i think i'll refactor this whole beast anyway
12:10 < manveru> doesn't even have half of the required functionality and
looks like a pile of crap already
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12:19 < mpl> yeah at first glance there's only one tiny global var I want to
lock around, but while I'm at it I guess I should protect all the sql r/w as well,
so probably a main goroutine to sync all that.
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12:48 < Namegduf> mpl: The tricky part of the design now shows in making as
much as possible parallel and as little as possible synchronous.
12:52 < mpl> Namegduf: yeah well, it's not a high traffic thingie, it's for
my personal use, so the parallel optimization is not a big concern.
12:52 < Namegduf> Ah, okay.  :P
12:52 < mpl> that one
12:52 < mpl> http://code.google.com/p/gogallery/
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13:07 < ww> any news of go on solaris recently?  (no please don't mock me,
sometimes constraints are imposed from outwith)
13:08 < str1ngs> I have not heard anything ww.  other then one other person
asking about it.
13:09 < taruti> ww: perhaps gccgo?
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13:11 < ww> taruti: that would be interesting to try...
13:12 < ww> i wonder how easy it is for a program which normally uses a
couple of cgo bindings to be made to build properly with either go or gccgo...
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13:30 < uqos> Thisone http://pastebin.ca/2069454 stops after creating 1014
goroutines, I was assuming go multiplexed several goroutines onto an OS thread -
why does it create 1 thread per goroutine
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13:37 < skelterjohn> uqos: because time.Sleep won't yield the thread
13:37 < skelterjohn> it's a known issue with time.Sleep
13:37 < skelterjohn> try "<-time.After(5e9)" instead
13:39 < uqos> alright, so there's some calls that blocks the (OS) thread and
go creates a new goroutine in such cases ? Are there other stuff that does that
besides time.Sleep ?
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13:39 < uqos> s/goroutine/thread
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13:42 < str1ngs> uqos: there is an actual Tick channel in the time package
13:42 < Namegduf> uqos: Anything that does a blocking syscall.
13:42 < str1ngs> uqos: https://gist.github.com/982382
13:43 < Namegduf> uqos: I/O does not do blocking syscalls- it's implemented
using non-blocking I/O and select()-like stuff in the backend.
13:44 < Namegduf> Other stuff you'd expect to block probably does.
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13:58 < str1ngs> ww: https://github.com/str1ngs/go/commit/7286ac seems some
working is being done for solaris
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14:38 <+iant> ww: gccgo reportedly works on Solaris
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14:42 < chomp> ew solaris
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14:55 < exch> I'm still having decision issues with C bindings.  If a
C-structed, exposed on the Go side needs to retain a pointer to the original C
struct, should I bother to copy the c fields to Go equivalents, so they can be
more easily accessed.  or should I only supply get/set accessor methods?
Potentially making the Go api messy
14:56 < exch> By copying the fields, and keeping the original around, I
basically duplicate the structure in memory and have to handle synchroization of
the fields when it all has to be sent back into the C world
15:01 < chomp> sounds messy either way.  is there any reason you can't just
manipulate the C structure directly
15:03 < exch> within my package, yes, but exposing its fields to anything
outside it requires remapping of fields, or creating accessors.  Because cgo
leaves the lower-case struct field names intact.  They will be package-local by
default.  Not to mention have C types instead of Go types
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15:05 < chomp> ah, i didn't realize you were talking about the external
interface to your bindings.
15:05 < exch> yes
15:05 < chomp> a copy is probably the way to go
15:05 < exch> internally I can easily deal with the c stuff directly
15:05 < chomp> mapping to go types, that is
15:06 < chomp> what are you wrapping, out of curiosity?
15:06 < exch> libmtp
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15:06 < exch> I've done it before, but havent maintained it.  Go has changed
a lot so i'm rewriting it from scratch
15:07 < chomp> word
15:07 < exch> Besides that, the previous version retained the C api as-is.
Which is not very idiomatic as far as Go is concerned and therefor was even
messier :p
15:07 < chomp> heh yeah i've found that with most C libraries
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15:08 < chomp> a 1:1 mapping is generally ugly and can be substantially
improved
15:08 < wrtp> exch: how many fields are we talking?  an accessor of some
kind might be the best way of doing things.
15:09 < exch> wrtp: depends on the structure.  No more than 11 or 12
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15:09 < exch> Most of em basic integer types
15:10 < str1ngs> exch: ya I have the same problem working with libgit2
15:10 < wrtp> exch: but all mutable?
15:11 < exch> wrtp: Not all of them.  The immutable ones could do with a
simple get accessor I suppose
15:11 < exch> that should get rid of a fair few of them
15:11 * wrtp is having difficulty finding the libmtp API docs
15:11 < exch> Not very consistent, but in the interest of useability I
suppose it's a worthwhile tradeof
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15:12 < wrtp> for the immutable ones you could write a single accessor that
returned them all as a Go struct
15:12 < wrtp> depending on the performance tradeoffs
15:14 < exch> This particular library interacts with portable USB devices
like mp3 players/digital cameras.  So speed probably not one of it's stronger
points to begin with
15:14 < exch> file transfer, filesystem management and stuff like that
15:14 < wrtp> if you're talking metadata, then yeah
15:16 < wrtp> i guess you could mirror all fields, then have Info() and
SetInfo() methods
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15:47 < rael_wiki> hello
15:47 < exch> lo
15:48 < rael_wiki> is there a way to pass a struct with private fields
through a channel without passing a pointer?
15:48 < rael_wiki> maybe something like a serialize function?
15:48 < skelterjohn> you can get at the raw bytes with the unsafe package
15:49 < skelterjohn> but in general if something has private fields, you
pass around a pointer
15:49 < skelterjohn> is there a specific reason you don't want to do this?
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15:51 < rael_wiki> skelterjohn: maybe one day the goroutines that I'm using
will be different processes running on different machines that communicate through
a network
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15:54 < wrtp> rael_wiki: i think that restriction will be relaxing soon
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15:55 < skelterjohn> from within the package where you define the type you
can make a chan of it
15:55 < skelterjohn> from outside that package, you cannot.  consider making
the important fields not private
15:57 < skelterjohn> wrtp: do you mean in general assignment and use of
struct values with unexported fields?
15:57 < skelterjohn> or specifically something with chans
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16:10 < wrtp> skelterjohn: general assignment and use
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16:37 < skelterjohn> cool.  i didn't exactly follow why it wasn't allowed in
the first place
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16:38 < ww> too bad
16:38 < ww> enforcement of public/private helps prevent spaghetti getting
tangled in implementation deatul
16:38 < ww> s/deatul/details/
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16:40 < jnwhiteh> I wish I had an easy way to make file-local functions =/
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16:42 < wrtp> ww: public and private will still be enforced.
16:42 < wrtp> it's just you'll be able to copy private fields even when you
can't see them
16:43 < skelterjohn> ww: it's just "someVar :=
AStructWithUnexportedMembers{}" would be allowed
16:43 < wrtp> skelterjohn: the main reason AFAICS was so that types like
sync.Mutex could enforce the fact that the address wouldn't change
16:43 < skelterjohn> jnwhiteh: what would the purpose of a file-local
function be?
16:43 < skelterjohn> wrtp: very interesting...
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16:44 < Esteth> how would I go about writing a simple file format parser for
go?  I'm trying to parse MIPS source code, which is very simple, but I'm not sure
what approach to take.  YACC/Lex and bind to C?
16:44 < wrtp> yeah, i can't really see the point of a file-local function.
you're in control of the names used in the whole package.
16:44 < skelterjohn> solution there is to "type mutex struct {...} type
Mutex *mutex", perhaps
16:44 < wrtp> skelterjohn: i don't think that makes a difference
16:44 < skelterjohn> Esteth: there is goyacc
16:44 < skelterjohn> wrtp: i guess you could say "x := *theMutex"
16:45 < jnwhiteh> I have non-locking versions of some functions (the caller
must have the lock when calling them) and it'd be nice if I could ensure that will
be the case rather than having to mangle the names so I know not to call them
16:45 < jnwhiteh> more of a maintenance issue than anything
16:45 < wrtp> skelterjohn: yes
16:45 < skelterjohn> then "type Mutex struct { *mutex }" :)
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16:46 < wrtp> skelterjohn: yeah, but that kinda gets around the whole point
of Mutexes - you can embed them with no allocation necessary
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16:46 < Esteth> skelterjohn: Thanks for the pointer :)
16:46 < jnwhiteh> wrtp: yes, but the package is rather large..  would be
nice if I didn't have to mangle the names
16:46 < jnwhiteh> thats all =)
16:46 < skelterjohn> you can embed something with an unexported field, but
you can't assign it?
16:46 < wrtp> jnwhiteh: with that kind of thing, i often append a "0" to the
function name, indicating that it's the underlying version.
16:46 < wrtp> skelterjohn: yes
16:47 < jnwhiteh> in this case they're _NL_funcname
16:47 < jnwhiteh> so its hard to mistake them
16:47 < skelterjohn> can you assign the thing that embeds?
16:47 < jnwhiteh> just feels like there should be a nicer way and I'm used
to chunk-level locals from Lua :P
16:47 < wrtp> skelterjohn: no, because it holds unexported fields
16:47 < jnwhiteh> hell, having a way to introduce a new scope would be
sufficient.  actually.
16:47 < jnwhiteh> but confusing :P
16:48 < wrtp> jnwhiteh: i think you're making the names nastier than they
could be...
16:48 < jnwhiteh> sure, but I want to make sure its clear =)
16:48 < wrtp> you make up your own rules in this case..
16:48 < jnwhiteh> yes, ofc
16:48 < jnwhiteh> I'd rather I did't have to..  I could just have them local
to a scope, then they can't be called
16:48 < skelterjohn> jnwhiteh: you could split it into a few packages
16:48 < jnwhiteh> that's all =)
16:48 < jnwhiteh> skelterjohn: I've considered this :P
16:49 < skelterjohn> and you can have things local to a scope - it's just
that go doesn't consider a file to be a scope
16:49 < jnwhiteh> its my own problem to control, I know
16:49 < jnwhiteh> skelterjohn: Of course, I know this
16:49 < jnwhiteh> just musing!
16:49 < skelterjohn> as far as the compiler is concerned, you might as well
cat all the files together (mod fixing packages and imports"
16:49 < skelterjohn> sorry, i don't mean to be piling it on :)
16:49 < jnwhiteh> np :P
16:50 < jnwhiteh> off to home
16:57 < rael_wiki> wrtp: so in future versions of the compiler will be
allowed to assign a struct with private fields?
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17:00 < wrtp> rael_wiki: it looks that way
17:04 < rael_wiki> ok I'm turning my fields to public hoping one day I'll be
able to make them private again...
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17:07 < skelterjohn> rael_wiki: if you have a chan interface{}, you could
probably feed it the non-pointer version of your object
17:07 < skelterjohn> but the code that unpacks it would have to be the same
package
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17:09 < rael_wiki> yep...
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17:58 < merijn> How lightweight are goroutines?  I'm just looking for an
order of magnitude guesstimate of how many is still a sane number (e.g.  in
Haskell/Erlang I can have 10k-100k threads is still a sane amount, can Go handle
the same?  less?  more?)
17:58 < Namegduf> merijn: 4KB initial stack is the primary cost
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17:58 < Namegduf> A little CPU to create
17:58 < Namegduf> I think that's it
17:58 < Namegduf> (They're not massively slow to create, just, you know,
don't be spawning and destroying them in performance critical code for no reason)
17:59 < Namegduf> The stack is the limiting factor for count.
17:59 < Namegduf> 100k is entirely reasonable.
17:59 < Namegduf> 1 million should be reasonable if you have the RAM for it.
17:59 < wrtp> merijn: they're on the same order as those in haskell/erlang
17:59 * wrtp thinks that the initial stack size could be smaller
18:00 < merijn> Namegduf, wrtp: Ok, thanks.  That's what I figured, but
never hurts to check :)
18:00 < Namegduf> Of course.
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18:00 < wrtp> the compiler could help
18:00 < Namegduf> wrtp: I agree
18:00 < wrtp> when there are thousands of goroutines, in my experience,
they're often trivial little things that need hardly any stack
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20:18 < zgrim> sorry, noob here :), is there an easy way i can make a struct
entry of type (anon) func have access to the struct it belongs to ?
20:19 < KirkMcDonald> zgrim: Pass it to the function as its first argument.
20:19 < zgrim> ie: for a type Foo struct { file *os.FileInfo.  action
*func(ev *Event) }, when doing (say a) addWatcher(file, action), would like
'action' to act on the Foo 'obj', when called
20:19 < zgrim> kindof a method injection i suppose
20:20 < KirkMcDonald> zgrim: Or: Define the function as a closure containing
that pointer.
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20:21 < KirkMcDonald> zgrim: Also: Why *func?
20:21 < zgrim> KirkMcDonald: i think i'd need to modify its signature in the
Foo struct, to accept a Foo type, i think i tried that and the compiler didn't
like it
20:22 < zgrim> KirkMcDonald: ah, was first a func, tried to see if it's
possible, disregard the pointer :)
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20:23 < zgrim> KirkMcDonald: thanks for the tips, i'll try some more
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21:41 < Tonnerre> Hm
21:41 < Tonnerre> Is there a chance of a DESTDIR patch to get in?
21:41 < Tonnerre> Or is that a Frequently Sent Patch?
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22:39 < crazy2be> what is the best way to create a VFS using go?
22:39 < crazy2be> I want to use it as an API, rather than RPC calls if
possible
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23:18 < Ekspluati> Damn, I should be sleeping already.  Time flies when
writing Go.
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23:20 < Tonnerre> Ekspluati: exactly
23:21 < Ekspluati> I dreamed about Go last night by the way.  I got a Go
programming job and worked on some kind of multiplayer game server.  :D
23:22 < Ekspluati> But anyways, I need to go.  Byes.
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