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00:04 < jmhodges> hey, so, at src/libmach/obj.c:82-94, something i don't
understand is going on.  can someone tell me what [Obj68020] and its ilk are doing
there?
00:04 < jmhodges> like, they look like designated inits, and clang thinks
they are, but they are missing the =
00:04 < jmhodges> this:
http://code.google.com/p/go/source/browse/src/libmach/obj.c#82
00:05 < cenuij> I've a very lighteight and simple requirement for a wire
protocol, should I just use gob package directly or is there any benefit to using
the rpc package?
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00:07 < cenuij> or wait, I see RPC is using gob.  i'll tinker with rpc for
now.
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00:11 < str1ngs> niemeyer: ping
00:11 < niemeyer> str1ngs: Hey
00:11 < str1ngs> niemeyer: hows it going?
00:11 < niemeyer> str1ngs: Pretty good, thanks for asking
00:12 < str1ngs> niemeyer: I recalling some where you were doing some clean
up to filepath.  namely using Clean() ?
00:13 < niemeyer> str1ngs: Hmm..  I did a few things with filepath, but not
sure about what you're referring to
00:13 < str1ngs> niemeyer: I as be cause I'm not sure if there should be a
trailing / say after useing split
00:13 < niemeyer> str1ngs: Hmm
00:13 < str1ngs> more direct would it be better if split used clean before
returning ?
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00:14 < niemeyer> str1ngs: That's by design it seems
00:14 < str1ngs> I was thinking that to.  but it creates issues where you
are not sure if you need to Clean or not.
00:15 < str1ngs> ie I have a loop that keeps tagging more and more ///
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00:17 < str1ngs> but I'll look into it more see if I can can produce simply
example.  them maybe post it to the ML
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00:18 < niemeyer> str1ngs: Why not jsut cleaning it up before starting to
split?
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00:19 < str1ngs> becuase the split always returns a trailing / iirc so I
need to clean it after
00:19 < str1ngs> but I'm also using inotify and it seems eradic also
00:19 < niemeyer> str1ngs: Hmm, I don't think that's the case
00:20 < str1ngs> I'll simplify the code could just be a pebcak issue then
00:26 < str1ngs> niemeyer: ah the problem is inotify does not clean when you
add so you need to do it by hand
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07:52 < hallas> Anyone know if there is a list of golang appengine apps?  :D
?
07:54 < uriel> hallas: not AFAIK, maybe I should start to list them
somewhere in http://go-lang.cat-v.org
07:54 < hallas> I did actually go there to look for it
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11:52 < xyproto> If I wish to read a certain number of bytes from several
files and write them to a new file, which packages could be useful?  bufio?
bytes?
11:52 < xyproto> Preferably concurrently.
11:53 < nsf> os
11:53 < nsf> os.File is all you need
11:54 < wrtp> xyproto: what nsf says
11:57 < xyproto> nsf, wrtp: thanks :)
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13:10 < xyproto> How can I make a program wait for the completion of all
running goroutines, again?
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13:14 < xyproto> sync.WaitGroup?
13:15 < elimisteve> Is there no one-liner for checking whether or not an
element is contained in a slice?
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13:31 < exch> nope
13:31 < xyproto> elimisteve: not that I know of, I usually write a little
"func has(something, someCollection)"...
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13:33 < elimisteve> xyproto: and because we don't have generics I'd have to
write a version for each data type huh -- func hasStr(coll []string, str string),
func hasInt(coll []int, n int), etc
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13:35 < xyproto> elimisteve: yes, I think so.  On the positive side, I've
never had to write more than one "has" function per program.  Do you have a case
where you need a lot of them?
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13:35 < elimisteve> probably just strings.  We'll see.  Thanks :-)
13:35 < xyproto> elimisteve: hope it works out :)
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14:20 < xyproto> What's a good way to spawn a lot of jobs (go-routines) and
then stop everything if an error occurs in one of them.  An error-channel?
14:22 < Omnivore> you could likely get away with a global 'terminate' flag
in that particular case - wouldn't even need any synchronization - no possiblity
of race condition
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14:26 < Omnivore> 'course I'd have all the workers do a final write of
whatever to their output channel before exiting so the main 'thread' could set the
flag and then block in each output channel
14:26 < niemeyer> xyproto: A global flag would do
14:27 < niemeyer> Omnivore: It does need synchronization, though
14:27 < Omnivore> err why?
14:28 < niemeyer> Omnivore: http://golang.org/doc/go_mem.html
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14:28 < niemeyer> Omnivore: Check Incorrect synchronization there
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14:29 < Omnivore> eh yeah multiproc caches
14:30 < Omnivore> need a 386 interlocked exchange when setting - no reason
to on read though
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14:33 < niemeyer> Omnivore: The memory model provides no guarantees about
that.
14:34 < Omnivore> well I suppose since you're using channels, easiest way is
a global error channel
14:34 < Omnivore> for that group
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14:38 < Omnivore> hmm I guess interlocked exchange instruction only
available through windows in go?
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15:22 < xyproto> If I wish to read the rest of a file, without knowing the
size, should I then .Seek to the end first, to find out?
15:22 < cainetighe> hi, i'd like to update some of the documetnation
15:23 < cainetighe> where can i find this:
http://golang.org/pkg/http/#Response file
15:23 < cainetighe> adg: ^
15:23 < cainetighe> niemeyer: actually you might know too :)
15:23 < niemeyer> xyproto: No, you can just read until EOF
15:24 < niemeyer> xyproto: There are helper functions under io/ioutil
15:24 < xyproto> niemeyer: great, but then, how do i make() the buffer?
15:24 < cainetighe> xyproto: ioutil.ReadAll
15:24 < xyproto> niemeyer: just make([]buffer) ?
15:24 < cainetighe> xyproto: :=
15:24 < xyproto> sorry, meant []byte
15:24 < xyproto> ahh
15:24 < niemeyer> xyproto: http://golang.org/pkg/io/ioutil/#ReadAll
15:24 < xyproto> ok, checkout out ReadAll
15:24 < xyproto> niemeyer, cainetighe: thx
15:24 < niemeyer> cainetighe: You mean in the source code?
15:24 < niemeyer> xyproto: np
15:24 < cainetighe> xyproto: not a problem
15:25 < cainetighe> xyproto: something like:
15:25 < cainetighe> var b []byte
15:25 < cainetighe> b, err = ioutil.ReadAll(r.Body)
15:25 < cainetighe> that's a http response
15:25 < xyproto> but, what if I want to read everything after a certain
offset?  (which is what I want)
15:25 < cainetighe> niemeyer: yeah http.Get is old
15:25 < xyproto> then Seek first, and then ReadAll?
15:25 < niemeyer> cainetighe: If you click on the type/function name, you'll
be taken to the source code location where it's defined
15:25 < cainetighe> niemeyer: it no longer returns finalURL
15:26 < cainetighe> niemeyer: yeah, but where can i update golang.org
15:26 < niemeyer> xyproto: Yeah, that'll do
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15:26 < niemeyer> cainetighe: You can't..  this is the real source code of
the project
15:26 < xyproto> niemeyer: great, thx
15:26 < niemeyer> cainetighe: Submit a CL for changing the source
15:26 < cainetighe> niemeyer: the source has already been changed
15:26 < cainetighe> niemeyer: the site is just stale
15:26 < niemeyer> cainetighe: and it will make its way onto golang.org
15:27 < cainetighe> oh ok
15:27 < cainetighe> so it's generated
15:27 < niemeyer> cainetighe: Ok, so just wait until it's updated
15:27 < niemeyer> cainetighe: Is this showing the content you expect:
15:27 < niemeyer> cainetighe: http://tip.goneat.org/pkg/http
15:27 < cainetighe> yes
15:27 < cainetighe> i just wanted to be sure.
15:27 < cainetighe> thx
15:30 < niemeyer> cainetighe: So it'll make its way to the site
15:30 < niemeyer> cainetighe: np
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15:37 < str1ngs> niemeyer: I sorted out that issue with filepath.  I just
resolved to use Clean anytime I split
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15:38 < niemeyer> str1ngs: Cool, maybe that should be done by default indeed
15:38 < str1ngs> niemeyer: I think so.  but I kinda see the reasoning behind
it to . so not a huge deal
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16:20 < Sisten> Hello, I got a few questions about go.  Just finished my
first year of computersience and communication studies (working for a masters
degree).  We learned java as a first language and I havent written any code before
I started my studies last year so Im new to any kind of programing.  I wondering
if Go would be a good second language to learn?  What I want to do during this
summer is to learn a compiled language and make a few programs, probo
16:20 < Sisten> bly want to work with both graphical and nongraphical
programs.
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16:26 <+iant> Sisten: I think that people here are generally going to
support learning Go
16:26 <+iant> What's the downside?
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16:27 < Sisten> Yeah manly the question was if I would go for Go directly or
try learn C first
16:28 <+iant> Go for Go
16:28 <+iant> although C is also easy to learn
16:28 < mkb218> go's native graphics library is still experimental
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16:31 < Sisten> Yeah thats one of the problems with go.  I dont know how
good the graphical libraries are.  I want to write graphical programs during the
summer due to the fact that Iv only done one the past year.
16:31 < mkb218> there are bindings for opengl, sdl, etc.
16:32 < Sisten> Well guess that the only way to find out is to try it.
Thansk for the help
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18:11 < skelterjohn|work> afternoon
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18:40 < ww> heya skelterjohn|work
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19:09 < skelterjohn|work> exch, you here?
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19:22 < exch> skelterjohn|work: yes
19:22 < skelterjohn|work> my glfw strangeness went away
19:22 < skelterjohn|work> false alarm
19:23 < skelterjohn|work> in fact it *does* work
19:23 < exch> ah goodie :)
19:23 < skelterjohn|work> on linux now, everything is so much easier
19:23 < skelterjohn|work> except i have to reboot to windows to check my
corporate email and do timecards
19:23 < exch> everything is better without windows :p
19:23 < aiju> except rooms
19:23 < exch> you cant get email in linux?
19:24 < aiju> corporate email probably requires corporate software
19:24 < skelterjohn|work> some weirdness about certificates
19:24 < skelterjohn|work> i don't know much about that kind of thing
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19:26 < skelterjohn|work> try to import it, "failed for unknown reasons"
19:26 < skelterjohn|work> *shrug*
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19:28 < skelterjohn|work> is there an opengl function for polygons?  or do i
have to turn it into triangles on my own
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19:28 < ampleyfly> skelterjohn|work: glBegin(GL_POLYGON);
19:29 < skelterjohn|work> neat
19:29 < ampleyfly> haven't used gl from go though, so don't know what that
api looks like
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20:14 < skelterjohn|work> hmm, no glOrtho in banthar's opengl port
20:14 < skelterjohn|work> :<
20:15 < ampleyfly> it's not hard to write yourself if you have glloadmatrix
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20:19 < skelterjohn|work> my 3d math isn't good enough to do that without
spending an hour doing research
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20:21 < ampleyfly> skelterjohn|work: just look up the docs for glortho, it's
in there
20:21 < ebering> in container/heap to be a heaper how are
heap.Interface.Push and heap.Interface.Pop expected to behave?  remove from the
back or the front?
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20:23 < skelterjohn|work> ebering, either it doesn't matter, or they want
you to implement heap push/pop in those methods
20:23 < skelterjohn|work> it's not clear to me from the doc
20:23 < skelterjohn|work> i'd have to look at the source
20:23 < ebering> skelterjohn|work: looking at the source, it should remove
from the end
20:24 < ebering> and add to the end
20:24 < skelterjohn|work> certainly needs to be consistent
20:29 < ebering> this could be better documented, though it becomes clear
when you look at container/vector and think that vectors should automatically be
heapers
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21:10 < peter__> gomake can't find 8g.  8g command works on it own though
21:10 < peter__> any thoughts?
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21:12 < skelterjohn|work> does make work on its own?
21:12 < skelterjohn|work> gomake is a script that sets a few env vars and
then calls make
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21:17 < peter__> gomake just sets up GOROOT
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21:17 < peter__> do i need anything else?
21:17 < peter__> gobin?
21:17 < peter__> in which case, why does 8g work in the shell directly?
21:18 < peter__> with just make instead of gomake, gobin looks unset and it
looks for /src/Make.inc
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21:25 < peter__> ok i think it was a problem with my .bashrc
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21:28 < peter__> thanks
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23:00 < kevlar_work> So, I know how to (and frequently) emulate
WaitGroup.Wait() (for waiting on a number of goroutines to finish) using channels,
but is there a simple model that also emulates the behavior of Wait() when it's
already at zero?  In other words, after the goroutines have already exited?
23:00 < kevlar_work> If there is, I can't really think of one...
23:01 < kevlar_work> (basically, I want to fire off a goroutine with a
"stop" channel that may complete before I try to stop it.  If I try to stop it, I
want to wait until it completes, but if it's already stopped, I want to do
nothing)
23:02 < kevlar_work> I thought about having a buffered "done" channel, but
then that limits me to one call to Stop.  I suppose I could resend the value to
the "done" channel once I get it?
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23:51 < unit3> Hey, can someone link me to a design pattern for using
channels to return data from nested goroutines where the number of goroutines
spawned is nondeterministic?
23:52 < unit3> All I've found in the docs so far assumes you know how many
child routines you're going to spawn, and you can just count them returning on a
control channel.
23:52 < unit3> because of the algorithm I'm writing, I have no idea how many
will get spawned ahead of time...  I'd just like to find a nice way to loop until
they've all finished, and then close the channel.
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23:56 < jessta_> unit3: you can use a WaitGroup
23:57 < jessta_> http://golang.org/pkg/sync/#WaitGroup
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23:58 < unit3> Oh, I see, so each subroutine just Adds itself to the group,
and then my main loop can just read on the channel and wait for that all to
finish.  That should be perfect, thanks.
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