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00:20 < wrtp> anyone here using go on google app engine?
00:21 < wrtp> if so, when running in local mode (not uploaded to GAE), where
do appengine.Context.Logf messages end up?
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01:01 < crazy2be> hrm
01:01 < crazy2be> I was reading up on rails
01:01 < crazy2be> it uses a MVC archetecture
01:01 < crazy2be> which is suprisingly similar to what I came up with in my
own framework
01:02 < crazy2be> without having any familarity with the term
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01:33 < crazy2be> there, I actually have some documentation up now:
https://github.com/crazy2be/wfdr
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02:33 < uriel> the "MVC" has been used and abused so much it has become
quite meaningless, people can easily get it to mean anything they like
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02:33 < Tv> "i have a database and like OO!"
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02:34 < crazy2be> uriel: Just like OO :P
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02:35 < crazy2be> I spent like a month writing a picasa authenication
service and front-end to allow people to use dnd to upload photos to picasa
02:36 < crazy2be> now picasa added that feature :/
02:36 < crazy2be> and all my code is horribly outdated and hackish
02:36 < crazy2be> heh
02:36 < crazy2be> that was before req.Send() was public
02:36 < crazy2be> so i had to roll my own
02:36 < crazy2be> and I hacked a lot of other functions from the http
library
02:37 < crazy2be> ah, back in the day
02:37 < exch> is it finally publicc?  O_o
02:37 < exch> by the gods, hell has frozen over.
02:38 < crazy2be> exch: There is now a way to send it, but not explicity a
public .Send() method
02:38 * exch sighs
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02:39 < crazy2be> you have to do c := http.Client{}; c.Do(req)
02:39 < crazy2be> which is workable
02:40 < crazy2be> much better than copy-pasting the private send() function
:P
02:40 < crazy2be> which is what I did and several other libraries at the
time did
02:40 < crazy2be> the openid library I grabbed did as well
02:40 < crazy2be> a different copy of the same function, from a different
version of the go source
02:41 < exch> yesI have as well
02:41 < exch> Ended up just using my own version of the entire http lib
02:41 < crazy2be> heh
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02:41 < exch> Just to have a public Send() -.-
02:42 < crazy2be> well i guess the point is to have it http/1.1 compatable
02:42 < crazy2be> e.g.  keepalive
02:42 < crazy2be> but a public .Send() method that just used HTTP/1.0
wouldn't be hard
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02:45 < crazy2be> someday i'll have to go fix all my code from the days of
before goinstall
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02:46 < crazy2be> A whole bunch of interdependent packages that relied on
having their names as "util/..."
02:46 < crazy2be> and programs that imported them using that name too
02:46 < crazy2be> maybe i'll just sed them all :P
02:46 < exch> I have most of my stuff up to date.  at least those packages I
am even remotely interested in maintaining
02:47 < exch> The rest is just gathering bitrot in my '.fridge' directory.
That's where verything goes to die once i lose interest in it
02:47 < exch> Which happens with alarming frequency tbh
02:51 < crazy2be> brb
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03:32 < crazy2be> back:
03:33 < crazy2be> @exch: I write a lot of things and almost forget about
them
03:34 < crazy2be> Despite trying to keep code to a minimum, I currently have
about 5000 lines of code in active use
03:34 < crazy2be> but that number seems to have stabilized for the most part
03:34 < crazy2be> add new code, delete old stuff
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03:55 < lawltoad> im thinking of picking up a concurrency oriented
language...  go or erlang?
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03:56 < vsmatck> erlang
03:57 < vsmatck> If you know there's something wrong with my response then
you also know there's something wrong with your question.
03:58 < lawltoad> huh?  sorry i don't think i know what you mean
03:58 < vsmatck> I guess maybe you were just trying to start a conversation
and I'm being a dick.  Sorry.  :-/
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03:59 < lawltoad> haha, its cool, im just hear to pick greater brains for
insight anyhow
04:00 < jessta_> lawltoad: erlang and Go are very different, which one you
use depends on your needs
04:01 < vsmatck> ^
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04:03 < lawltoad> i was just picking one to learn for the summer to broaden
my skill set...  so that when a problem needing concurrency/parallelism comes
along ..  i have a tool other than java, but i guess the toy idea was a sheep vs
wolf heard system
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05:11 < crazy2be> night internet
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05:22 < whitespacechar> Is there a way to write an ArgMax function that
works on some generic type?
05:22 < whitespacechar> See: https://gist.github.com/8856a9ce3b18c7550db7
05:24 < whitespacechar> ArgMax returns the index of the (first) maximum item
in a slice, as well as its value here
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05:29 < vsmatck> There's not a sane way to do it that I know of.  I'd write
one function for each go type and name them ArgMaxInt64, ArgMaxUint, etc.
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05:33 < |Craig|> whitespacechar: consider a function that takes a function
that compares 2 items in your slice by index: func(start,end
int,func(int,int)bool)int perhaps
05:34 < edsrzf> Or something like sort.Interface (without Len and Swap
methods) could be of use
05:35 < |Craig|> yes, thats pretty much the same concept but using methods
on the slices, prabably nicer
05:35 < dfc> adg: cleaning: remove
/Users/dave/go/src/pkg/go/build/cgotest/_obj/: directory not empty
05:35 < dfc> ^ do you know about this one ?
05:35 <@adg> dfc: as of when?
05:35 < dfc> _+tip
05:36 < dfc> just now
05:36 <@adg> http://godashboard.appspot.com/ ?
05:37 <@adg> what platform?  help me here
05:37 < dfc> os x
05:37 < dfc> just checking now
05:37 < dfc> i'll email you more details
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05:45 < dfc> adg, i think it's ok, but there may be a problem for people who
don't have a clean tree
05:45 < dfc> i'll email
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05:55 < whitespacechar> Thanks.  ArgMax sketch revised at
https://gist.github.com/8856a9ce3b18c7550db7
05:55 < dfc> adg: i have a CL, just testing it now, if it works i'll mail it
to you for review
05:55 < whitespacechar> I think the Len method is required for writing the
loop
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05:56 < whitespacechar> so, it makes sense to write this on sort.Interface
if one wanted it.
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06:18 < dfc> adg: http://leroy.cheney.net/job/go-tip/lastFailedBuild/console
06:18 < dfc> ^ this build should pass with that CL
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07:02 <@adg> dfc: cool
07:02 <@adg> thanks
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09:33 < Hannofcart> Hello, I am just starting off with Go. At the outset I'd
like to know if it is possible write wrappers around existing C++ libraries.  A
lot of work I do use C++ libraries that offer functionality that I wouldnt want to
(nor am able) to implement from the bottom up.
09:34 < str1ngs> Hannofcart: C++ I do no know.  but you can interface with C
useing cgo
09:34 < Hannofcart> strings, yes, I saw that in the FAQ.
09:35 < Hannofcart> However, I'd like to be able to use C++ libraries as
well.
09:35 < mpl> I never remember in which way it works, but maybe swig?
09:36 < Hannofcart> mpl, i'll take a look.  thanks.
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09:38 < mpl> actually that's exactly what the FAQ says.
09:38 < mpl> "The cgo program provides the mechanism for a “foreign function
interface” to allow safe calling of C libraries from Go code.  SWIG extends this
capability to C++ libraries.".
09:40 < Hannofcart> mpl, yes, I saw that
09:40 < mpl> http://www.swig.org/Doc2.0/Go.html#Go
09:40 < Hannofcart> thanks
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11:38 < hallas> Im not quite sure if I read this anywhere, but does the SDK
on the appengine limit the http package?  - can I make any sort of requests?
11:40 < str1ngs> adg: ./make.bash real 16.236s o.O
11:41 < str1ngs> hallas: there should be something on the app-engine
website.  with the limitations
11:42 < str1ngs> hallas:
http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/go/overview.html
11:43 < str1ngs> also http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/go/runtime.html
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12:56 < oal> Is it possible to use Go with Python, and write the bits that
needs to be more speedy in Go?
12:56 < aiju> no
12:56 < aiju> not easily, that is
12:57 < oal> Ok. I thought maybe I would start out by writing some parts of
my application in Go, and port it over a piece at a time
12:57 < oal> :)
12:57 < aiju> if you are determined enough, you could maybe hack something
together with gccgo
12:57 < aiju> but I'd recommend just writing pure go
12:58 < nsf> or you can interact with Go using different indirect ways
12:58 < oal> Yup, that's what I want to end up with in the end
12:58 < nsf> protobuf, stdin/stdout
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14:33 < Sebastian_> Is there some kind of roadmap where one can see what's
planned for the next releases?  I'm mostly interested in the crypto package.
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14:41 < jessta_> Sebastian_: the releases come from weeklies and tip
14:42 < jessta_> there isn't a very specific roadmap
14:42 < aiju> Sebastian_: what do you hope for?
14:43 < Sebastian_> jessta_: I guess I wasn't specific, I meant maybe a list
of branches that are active in development or something.
14:44 < Sebastian_> aiju: sslv3 and tls cipher suites
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14:45 < Sebastian_> aiju: in particular, a convenient way to get
SSL_DHE_RSA_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA
14:46 < aiju> hah
14:46 < aiju> who came up with THAT name
14:46 < Sebastian_> I looked for openssl bindings too as an alternative but
didn't spot any
14:46 < aiju> odd
14:47 < Sebastian_> also see
https://groups.google.com/group/golang-nuts/browse_thread/thread/12f0721509429e55
for a related mailing list thread
14:47 < aiju> you can pester iant or adg
14:48 < aiju> adg stated they denied some additions though
14:48 < Sebastian_> do you remember the thread?
14:48 < aiju> (to my contention; they shouldn't just put every encryption
algorithm known to man in the standardlib)
14:48 < aiju> here on IRC
14:48 < Sebastian_> I'm curious to learn about the reasons
14:48 < Sebastian_> ah ok
14:49 < aiju> [13:28:44] <adg> aiju: actually, we've knocked back
quite a few proposed additions to crypto/
14:50 < Sebastian_> and yes, I quite agree that not everything should go
into the stdlib.  That's why I was interested in soem kind of a policy or roadmap
document to see where I'm at
14:50 < exch> would be interesting to learn where they draw the line and why
14:50 < exch> as far as inclusion of packages goes
14:51 < aiju> when in doubt, leave it out
14:51 < aiju> _adding_ something should be justified
14:52 < exch> true, but how do you pick one crypto package over another?
14:52 < exch> I suppose a good reason is: is it necessary for other stdlib
packages?
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14:53 < Sebastian_> I was very surprised to see a crypto package be part of
Go's stdlib at all
14:53 < Sebastian_> when I first took a look around
14:53 < aiju> plan 9 has libcrypto
14:53 < aiju> so it was no surprise for me
14:53 < exch> goinstall is sufficiently painless to make inclusion from
third party sources easy.  The downside of 3rdparty stuff will always be the
prospect that Joe Random stops maintaining it
14:54 < exch> then again, that's a risk with any project
14:54 < aiju> i'm not a big fan of libraries
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14:55 < Sebastian_> I'm smart enough not to try and hack some crypto code
together myself tho
14:55 < exch> I try to keep dependencies to a minimum.  At least when it
comes to external ones.  I know I will be maintaining my own stuff.  At least
those I actually need
14:56 < aiju> crypto code is almost an exception for me
14:56 < exch> im not even gonna try messing with crypto code myself
14:56 < exch> freakish voodoo
14:57 < aiju> that's p much my reasoning behind it
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14:58 < Sebastian_> but yeah, that's why I was looking for either a library
or openssl bindings or a stdlib package for my crypto needs :)
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15:13 < jessta_> crypto/ is getting pretty big
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16:01 < manveru> i think that's a good thing :)
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16:01 < manveru> duplication of crypto algorithms is a bad thing, imho
16:02 < manveru> but then again...  i use ruby...  which has everything and
the kitchen sink in its standard library
16:04 < Tonnerre> We need ssss there
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16:08 < kevlar_google> Tonnerre, I agree.
16:09 < kevlar_google> I tried to implement it, but the math is so far above
my head.
16:09 < kevlar_google> I can translate algorithms from paper into code, but
all I could find in the published work is the theoretical stuff, not a concrete
enough algorithm with the math specified out that I could grok.
16:11 < Tonnerre> Well, there is an actual implementation
16:11 < Tonnerre> Let me find it
16:12 < kevlar_google> I found an ssss.c but it wasn't an open enough
license to be able to port it and include it.
16:12 < kevlar_google> so I didn't look much past the license.
16:12 < Tonnerre> http://point-at-infinity.org/ssss/
16:12 < Tonnerre> LICENSE=gnu-gpl-v2
16:12 < Tonnerre> Hm, right
16:12 < kevlar_google> yeah.
16:13 < aiju> 18:08 < manveru> but then again...  i use ruby...  which
has everything and the kitchen sink in its standard library
16:13 < kevlar_google> we could ask him to relicense it for us.
16:13 < aiju> x.nonzero?
16:13 < Tonnerre> kevlar_google: I think that would be a good thing
16:13 < kevlar_google> a lot of people naively license stuff GPL.
16:13 < aiju> ruby provides lots of useful methods for really hard to
implement tasks
16:13 < kevlar_google> they think "oh, I want people to be able to use this"
so they use GPL when they should use BSD.
16:14 < aiju> WTFPL is the one true license
16:14 < kevlar_google> aiju, what are its restrictions?  lol
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16:14 < aiju> it's phrased something like 0.  DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO.
16:14 < kevlar_google> "This is in the public domain.  WhyTF would you use
another license?"
16:14 < kevlar_google> lol.
16:14 < aiju> no such thing as public domain in some countries
16:15 < aiju> licence stuff is ridiculous and WTFPL minimizes the brain time
i waste on it
16:15 < Tonnerre> I think the 2-clause BSD license is pretty much the
shortest way which grants people all rights while protecting you from liability
16:16 < Tonnerre> Short of rzip compressed licenses
16:16 < kevlar_google> lol.
16:17 < kevlar_google> what is it; 1) include this license if you copy it,
2) do what you want with it, 3) we don't endorse what you do with it?  I can never
remember off the top of my head.
16:17 < aiju> BSD
16:18 < Tonnerre> 3-clause BSD
16:18 < aiju> luckily, most GPL licenced code is too horrible to be of any
use
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16:22 < exch> http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ <3
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16:24 < Tonnerre> kevlar_google: that guy is even publishing his web site
under GPL so it seems he's not very skilled with licenses
16:25 < exch> The question then is: is anyone really an expert on licenses?
Given the obtuse nature of lawyer talk, I doubt even they really know wtf they are
talking about
16:26 < exch> I'm guessing the usefulnes of any given legal document is
strictly dictated by the 'convolution factor'.  If any sufficiently educated pleb
can make sense of ee a single line, it is unusable.
16:27 < aiju> exch: just like philosophy
16:27 < exch> indeed
16:28 < Tonnerre> exch: well, there are some established facts about both
licensing and philosophy which prevent the whole discussion from being entirely
based on thin air
16:29 < Tonnerre> One of them is that the GPL is not suitable for non-code
contents, that's where the FDL comes in handy, or Creative Commons
16:29 < exch> I never understood that distinction.  I apply Creative commons
public domain license to all my code.  Who's to say it's not a cultural work?
16:30 < Tonnerre> That you're free to do
16:32 < kevlar_google> code can absolutely be construed as art.
16:32 < kevlar_google> I happen to think mine a masterpiece ;-)
16:32 < exch> anything can really, It's an entirely subjective concept
16:32 < kevlar_google> yep.
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16:33 < kevlar_google> you can draw the little CC logo on your notes in
class and it's not inappropriate.
16:33 < kevlar_google> You could say at the beginning of a phone call that
the contents of your conversation are release under CC3.
16:33 < exch> hehe
16:34 < exch> I should try that some time when ringing up some organization.
Should be interesting to hear their response
16:34 < exch> "Excuse me, sir.  Let me consult our legal department to make
sure I can have this conversation with you."
16:35 < kevlar_google> great way to ditch telemarketers.
16:35 < exch> indeed
16:35 < xash> Ten minutes later you return to your phone, answering "Nope."
and then hanging up
16:36 < kevlar_google> "I wouldn't want a clever turn of phrase to be
considered privileged to our conversation, now would I?"
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16:49 < Kruptein> Hey, I'm a python programmer and I was wondering whether I
should be interested in this 'new' language last months I hear more and more about
it so I'm just wondering what it has to offer :)
16:49 < Kruptein> this has been probably asked a lot so sorry :s
16:49 < aiju> simplicity
16:49 < aiju> concurrency
16:49 < aiju> sanity
16:49 < aiju> unlike cpython, no frightening comments in the source
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16:50 < Kruptein> is the coding more related to C/C++ etc or rather to
python?
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16:51 < aiju> well it's a statically typed language
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16:51 < aiju> so as a python programmer it will look like C to you ;P
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16:52 < aiju> but it developed from C
16:52 < aiju> so one can say it's closer to C, than to python
16:53 < aiju> i suggest that you just try it
16:53 < crazy2be> it reminds me a lot of python
16:53 < crazy2be> but nicer
16:54 < Kruptein> crazy2be: in which way?
16:54 < crazy2be> not sure why i feel like it's nicer
16:54 < crazy2be> Kruptein: The packages are almost identical
16:54 < crazy2be> at least for os and strings
16:54 < aiju> what the fuck?
16:54 < aiju> are you sure you aren't confusing Go with ...  python?
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16:55 < Kruptein> in that case he would be comparing python with python :p
16:55 < crazy2be> well they felt that way
16:56 < crazy2be> i guess a lot of the functions just have their unix names
16:56 < aiju> does python even use camelcaps?
16:56 < crazy2be> not anymore
16:56 < crazy2be> it used to
16:56 < crazy2be> that was the style in 2.7 afaik
16:57 < crazy2be> at least for classes and the like
16:57 < crazy2be> now it's like_this in 3
16:57 < crazy2be> not sure why
16:57 < Kruptein> I'm still in the 2.7 era :p
16:57 < aiju> the_most_horrible_style_of_naminng
16:57 < aiju> i'm still in the 2.5 era
16:57 < aiju> but i only complain about python
16:57 < Kruptein> well actually my pc randomly gives me 2.6 or 2.7 :D
16:58 < crazy2be> what is an os.Qid?
16:58 < Kruptein> aiju: you don't like python?  well everyone has his own
opinion
16:59 < aiju> Kruptein: it's mostly cpython code
16:59 < aiju> which is p horrible
16:59 < Kruptein> I don't use cpython..
16:59 < aiju> pypy?
16:59 < crazy2be> i don't like the fact that you have to write python
modules in C to get decent efficiency
16:59 < aiju> or jpython *shudder*
16:59 < crazy2be> and that's UGLY
17:00 < crazy2be> q.i.d.  means four times a day
17:00 < crazy2be> but i still don't understand what an os.Qid is
17:00 < aiju> on Lunix it's probably an Inode number
17:00 < aiju> QIDs on Plan 9 are unique numbers assigned to files
17:00 < Kruptein> I never have written C/C++/Java/...  so I hoped golang
could be my port to an other kind of languages as I'm used to python
17:01 < aiju> you don't miss much with Java and C++
17:01 < crazy2be> Kruptein: Go is simpler and easier to learn than all of
those things
17:01 < aiju> except C
17:01 < aiju> or rather, Go is easier to learn/use than C
17:02 < aiju> while C is simpler
17:02 < crazy2be> yeah
17:02 < crazy2be> but it's not simpler in actual usage for complex things
17:02 < crazy2be> like GTK
17:02 < Kruptein> :D
17:02 < aiju> GTK is a bad choice to begin with
17:02 < Kruptein> talking about GTK what are gui toolkit options under
golang?
17:03 < Kruptein> probaly some ports
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17:03 < Kruptein> or is there native?
17:03 < aiju> there are some
17:03 < aiju> native is in the works
17:03 < crazy2be> Kruptein: most people use web
17:03 < aiju> exp/draw
17:03 < aiju> there is no GUI toolkit i'm really happy with
17:04 < Kruptein> hm I think I'm going to give it a shot :) (after my exam
period :f)
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17:05 < crazy2be> Kruptein: any particular project in mind?
17:06 < Kruptein> crazy2be: not really actually :)
17:06 < Kruptein> are you working on something?
17:07 < crazy2be> well I wrote a website in go over the past year in my
spare time
17:07 < crazy2be> creating a framework along the way:
https://github.com/crazy2be/wfdr
17:08 < crazy2be> it's based around the concept of different "modules"
operating compeltely independently
17:09 < Kruptein> crazy2be: hm nice :) I do have some ideas for websites
actually so it might be a good start to use go I currently use python for my
websites xD I actually use python for everything :p (and bash ofcourse)
17:09 < crazy2be> go is nice for websites because of the builtin
multithreading
17:09 < crazy2be> works great in a network-based enviroment
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17:10 < crazy2be> and there's tons of libraries
17:11 < aiju> bleh ..  webprogramming
17:11 < Kruptein> :D aiju what do you do?  till now I only heard complaints
:)
17:11 < aiju> haha
17:11 < crazy2be> :P
17:11 < aiju> i should measure to time until people notice that
17:12 < Kruptein> :D
17:12 < aiju> webprogramming seems to me as related to programming as potato
peeling is to cooking
17:12 < aiju> i wrote a gameboy emulator inGo
17:12 < Kruptein> well it's indeed only a small portion of the capabilities
of a programming language
17:13 < Kruptein> you what?  :D damn okay I still have a large way to go
17:13 < crazy2be> aiju: someone wrote one in javascript :P
17:13 < aiju> http://git.phicode.de/?p=gb;a=summary
17:13 < Kruptein> (which gameboy version btw?)
17:13 < aiju> crazy2be: yeah, i used that one as a reference
17:13 < aiju> Kruptein: the original one
17:13 * exch throws some bricks at libxcb
17:13 < aiju> it runs Tetris and Pokemon
17:13 < Kruptein> aiju: Yeah my two favs from my gameboy era
17:13 < aiju> crazy2be: also, i wrote a PDP-11 emulator in javascript
17:14 < aiju> ;P
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17:14 < aiju> also, i started an OS written in Go
17:14 < aiju> but it got troublesome due to frequent runtime changes
17:14 < crazy2be> lol
17:15 < Kruptein> aiju: so how long have you been programming?
17:15 < aiju> in general?  10 years now
17:16 < aiju> i also wrote this funny assembler in Go
17:16 < aiju> which assembles Z80, 6502 and PDP-11 code
17:16 < crazy2be> aiju: What do you do for a living?
17:16 < aiju> high school student ;P
17:17 < crazy2be> aiju: seriously?
17:17 < aiju> yeah
17:17 < crazy2be> like grade 12 going to collage next year?
17:18 < Kruptein> crazy2be: why is it dificult to believe?  :p
17:18 < aiju> sort of
17:18 < exch> so you were like 10 when you started programming?
17:18 < aiju> 7
17:18 < exch> ok
17:18 < Kruptein> aiju: well that makes us the same age except you started
earlier :D
17:18 < aiju> haha
17:18 < crazy2be> well I suppose it depends what you count as "starting"
programming
17:19 < exch> If I ever do have kids, the first thing they'll learn is
English, shortly followed by C
17:19 < crazy2be> I got in trouble for grabbing some VBScripts off of a
network share
17:19 < exch> preferably starting at age 3 or so
17:19 < aiju> exch: haha
17:19 < crazy2be> back in grade 7 or so
17:19 < crazy2be> exch: That would be my brother, except he learned BASIC
17:20 < exch> good enough
17:20 < crazy2be> along with logs
17:20 < exch> the important bit at first is learning code principles.
language isnt very relevant
17:21 < crazy2be> all before grade school (or in the very early years)
17:21 < crazy2be> my parents were crazy
17:21 < crazy2be> heh
17:21 < exch> Unfortunately my first contact with code was when I was just
under 21
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17:22 < mkb218> i started copying basic code out of books with my dad when i
was 3.  does that count?
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17:22 < exch> I was trained asa graphics designed and was employed asa web
designer.  But the great .com depression of 2001 made me realize i was about to be
out of a job.  So I started teaching myself to code
17:22 < exch> mkb218: sure, you have to start somewhere
17:23 < exch> I dont think expectations can be too high when you're 3 years
old
17:23 < exch> the kernel rewrite can wait till 4
17:23 < Kruptein> I somehow came in contact with web-challenge sites which
made me interested in php and then I wanted to do desktop-related things and I
started coding python
17:23 < aiju> haha
17:24 < mkb218> my first computer had no reliable permanent storage, alas
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17:25 < mkb218> it could write to audio cassette, but not so good at reading
back
17:25 < exch> nice
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17:59 < mjard> The outstanding balance has been updated for your Corporate
Card account.  Outstanding Balance: $0.00
17:59 < mjard> I get one of these a week
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18:00 < mjard> think we have different ideas on what updated means
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18:02 < exch> automated responses to batch jobs ftw
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18:07 < crazy2be> silly kernel panic
18:07 < crazy2be> whenever i vacuum my keyboard my computer panics
18:07 < crazy2be> too many keys at once i guess
18:08 < exch> :p
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18:25 < zippoxer> any1 here?
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18:28 < TheMue> zippoxer: sorry, I'm not any one
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18:29 < zippoxer> ^^ just wanted to know
18:38 < zippoxer> Http.Response.Body is a buffer?
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18:39 < zippoxer> sorry it's http.Response.Body
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18:56 < jessta_> zippoxer: http.Repsone.Body is an io.ReadCloser
18:58 < zippoxer> k thanks
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19:27 < rm445> huh?  is that really what you were asking?  I spent a few
minutes reading through the http source trying to see how it worked and just what
the body part was connected to.
19:27 < rm445> I don't begrudge you my time, clearly I had nothing better to
do :-) but the type of http.Body.Response is right there in the documentation.
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19:30 < str1ngs> zippoxer: you can do something like godoc io ReadCloser .
if that helps
19:31 < str1ngs> zippoxer: also something like godoc http Response | less
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19:54 < crazy2be> hmm, exec package changed
19:54 < crazy2be> and no gofix for it :(
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19:55 < str1ngs> gofix -h
19:55 < str1ngs> will list fixes.  but no I dont think this was added its a
major api change.
19:57 < ww> anyone heard of the tool talked about here:
http://lists.inf.ed.ac.uk/pipermail/lfcs-interest/2011-June/006904.html
19:57 < ww> QuickCheck
19:57 < ww> it is some sort of race-condition detecting magic for erlang
19:57 < ww> maybe a similar technique could be useful for go
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20:11 < crazy2be> str1ngs: signal.UnixSignal moved to os.UnixSignal,
suprised that wasn't a gofix
20:12 < str1ngs> crazy2be: ya I noticed that to
20:12 < str1ngs> trivial fix though
20:12 < crazy2be> yeah
20:12 < crazy2be> i suppose they add a gofix when the effort to add such a
fix is less than the effort of fixing everything manually :P
20:12 < str1ngs> actually kinda glad forced me to look at some code.
20:13 < crazy2be> uuugh
20:13 < crazy2be> yeah
20:13 < crazy2be> i've got some old code that is hidious
20:13 < crazy2be> a year old project accumlates cruft
20:13 < str1ngs> same.  part of go learning curve
20:13 < crazy2be> especially when the language is only a year old
20:13 < crazy2be> well learning curve and implementing things that are now
redundant
20:14 < crazy2be> because they have been added to the go std library
20:14 < str1ngs> for the better though
20:14 < crazy2be> like i have a package that provides functions like Run(cmd
string, args []string)
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20:14 < crazy2be> yeah i'm not complaining
20:14 < crazy2be> i wish they were there in the first place :P
20:14 < crazy2be> but i'll have to go clean up all that old code someday
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20:15 < str1ngs> I did one better I used formatting Run(format,
...interfac{}) :P
20:15 < crazy2be> then interpreted it how?
20:16 < crazy2be> like shell interpretation?
20:16 < str1ngs> fork.Run("git %s %S", "clone", "http://foo.git/foo")
20:16 < str1ngs> lower s
20:17 < crazy2be> so you had to do strings.Split(" ") or w/e?
20:17 < str1ngs> right
20:17 < crazy2be> heh that's clever
20:17 < str1ngs> now Its not needed
20:17 < crazy2be> almost all of my 131 lines is useless now :P :
https://github.com/crazy2be/wfdr/blob/master/framework/src/pkg/util/osutil/osutil.go
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20:17 < crazy2be> but i'm kinda glad ofit
20:17 < crazy2be> *of it
20:18 < crazy2be> man was some of it ugly
20:18 < crazy2be> like RunWithEnvAndWd()
20:18 < crazy2be> takes 30 seconds to type
20:18 < str1ngs> ya new exec package is great
20:25 < crazy2be> hmm why doesn't goinstall work with things like this?
goinstall ./framework/src/pkg/util/json
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20:27 < str1ngs> you need GOPATH
20:27 < str1ngs> see godoc goinstall
20:29 < crazy2be> ah, that is also new :P
20:29 < crazy2be> it's not on their website it's so new
20:30 < str1ngs> I live on the bleeding tip.  so I see alot of this as it
comes up
20:30 < str1ngs> another reason to use godoc
20:30 < crazy2be> I have some 5000 lines of code i'm dragging around
20:30 < crazy2be> so i can't live on the tip
20:30 < crazy2be> :P
20:30 < str1ngs> hehe
20:30 < crazy2be> untill i cull some of it
20:31 < str1ngs> when you are building gcc 4.7 so your code can compile with
gcc-go that bleeding edge
20:31 < crazy2be> nice
20:31 < crazy2be> is it faster?
20:31 < crazy2be> does it produce better code?
20:31 < str1ngs> some regards yes
20:31 < crazy2be> like faster runtime
20:31 < str1ngs> its a trade off really
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20:32 < str1ngs> it produces better optimized code in some places.  but it
goroutines are not as fast
20:32 < crazy2be> slower to compile as well?
20:32 < str1ngs> hard to say I dont have anything with a large code base
20:33 < str1ngs> I main use it to mess with gccgo .
20:33 < str1ngs> also the space saving can have some merit
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20:33 < crazy2be> dynamic linking?
20:33 < str1ngs> atleast the runtime is.  ie libgo
20:34 < str1ngs> so you end up with a 100k binary vs 3m
20:34 < crazy2be> that's nice in many cases
20:34 < str1ngs> some cases it can be useful
20:35 < crazy2be> although i'm sure there's some folks here who hate dynamic
linking :P
20:35 < str1ngs> I do not mind gc.  you might have a large binary but it
start up is fast
20:36 < str1ngs> and easy to distribute
20:36 < crazy2be> true
20:37 < str1ngs> gcc-go might be more useful for OS distrobutions
20:37 < crazy2be> hmm i'm still confused how goinstall works
20:37 < str1ngs> how so?
20:37 < str1ngs> the GOPATH?
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20:38 < crazy2be> so i set GOPATH to the directory that contains all my
sources, right?
20:38 < str1ngs> right but they should be under src
20:38 < crazy2be> and then there's subfolders there, src/pkg for example
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20:38 < str1ngs> right
20:38 < crazy2be> then how do I install the dependencies for a package?
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20:38 < crazy2be> (and the package itself)
20:38 < str1ngs> it should handle it
20:39 < crazy2be> well i do this:
20:39 < crazy2be> /wfdr/framework/src/pkg$ goinstall util/*
20:39 < crazy2be> but it says goinstall: util/dlog: package could not be
found locally
20:39 < crazy2be> and a bunch of errors like that
20:39 < str1ngs> ah use ./util/
20:40 < str1ngs> or ./util/* if you will
20:40 < crazy2be> that's what i figured, but that has the same errors
20:40 < crazy2be> although for less packages :/
20:40 < str1ngs> echo $GOPATH
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20:41 < crazy2be> /home/<usename>/Dropbox/Source/wfdr/framework/
20:41 < str1ngs> seems right
20:41 < crazy2be> perhaps it's confused by so many packages?  there's like
20 in there
20:42 < str1ngs> try without globbing
20:42 < str1ngs> focus on one package
20:42 < crazy2be> hmm some packages work others give errors
20:43 < str1ngs> what errors?
20:43 < crazy2be> goinstall: xxxx: package could not be found locally
20:44 < crazy2be> with the packages being packages that the package i am
trying to install depends on
20:44 < str1ngs> can you paste the fullpath for one?
20:44 < str1ngs> ah
20:45 < str1ngs> so local packages fail?
20:45 < crazy2be> seems that way
20:45 < str1ngs> so your include might be off
20:45 < str1ngs> not based on GOPATH possilby
20:45 < str1ngs> err import
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20:45 < crazy2be> well they are all util/xxx
20:45 < crazy2be> should they be ./util/xxx?
20:46 < crazy2be> or something different?
20:47 < crazy2be> not ./util/xxx for sure
20:47 < crazy2be> that causes bigger issues
20:47 < str1ngs> I would think it would work like this
20:47 < str1ngs> pkg foo/bar
20:47 < str1ngs> is w/e the dir structure looks like in pkg
20:48 < str1ngs> not 100% sure here sorta blind leading the blind
20:48 < crazy2be> hm
20:48 < crazy2be> well it works nice for remote packages :P
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20:49 < str1ngs> its still confusing
20:49 < str1ngs> I'm going to convert all my stuff to it so I can better
understand it
20:49 < str1ngs> locally anyways
20:50 < str1ngs> crazy2be: for now I would create a test GOPATH and play
with that
20:50 < str1ngs> dont worry about your framework yet
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21:16 < str1ngs> crazy2be: you are using tip?
21:16 < crazy2be> weekly
21:16 < str1ngs> can you try goinstall github.com/mattn/go-gtk/gtk please
21:16 < str1ngs> umm hopefully you have gtk libs
21:17 < crazy2be> heh i can install them :)
21:17 < crazy2be> ubuntu makes that part easy
21:17 < str1ngs> ok must be an issue with tip then
21:17 < str1ngs> well you could have been on windows :P
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21:18 < crazy2be> which ones do i need?
21:18 < str1ngs> for?
21:18 < crazy2be> that library
21:18 < str1ngs> gtk2 headers etc
21:18 < str1ngs> does it fail though?
21:19 < crazy2be> oh i was just missing gtksourceview
21:19 < crazy2be> and it works with weekly
21:19 < str1ngs> goinstall: github.com/mattn/go-gtk/gtk: package has no
files I get this with tip
21:19 < crazy2be> what are you building with gtk bindings?
21:19 < str1ngs> but that might have a change
21:20 < str1ngs> vte go terminal.  and go webkit browers both are kinda toys
right now though
21:20 < crazy2be> vte go terminal?
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21:20 < str1ngs> vte is what things like gnome-terminal use
21:21 < crazy2be> virtual terminal emulator i assume
21:21 < str1ngs> its a standalone terminal but it also can be reused as gtk
widget
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21:21 < str1ngs> riht
21:21 < str1ngs> right*
21:21 < crazy2be> are there bindings to gtkwebkit for go?
21:22 < str1ngs> yep
21:22 < str1ngs> https://github.com/mattn/go-webkit
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21:22 < str1ngs> mattn
21:23 < str1ngs> his vim-gist is great to.  not related
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21:32 < str1ngs> crazy2be: http://i.imgur.com/VL1dw.png
21:33 < str1ngs> crazy2be: go webkit on the left and go vte top right
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21:34 < crazy2be> what wm?
21:34 < str1ngs> wmfs
21:34 < str1ngs> sometimes I use dwm
21:34 < str1ngs> both are tilers
21:35 < crazy2be> jesus, mattn has 154 repos
21:37 < Tonnerre> I recommend i3
21:37 < str1ngs> oh oh wm wars
21:37 * crazy2be uses compiz
21:38 * crazy2be hides
21:38 < Tonnerre> Nah, just a suggestion
21:38 < str1ngs> its cool, I'm just kidding
21:38 < str1ngs> I think i3 is a manual tiler?
21:38 < Tonnerre> How do you mean, manual tiler?
21:39 < Tonnerre> It doesn't put windows into a predefined snail-like order
like awesome does
21:39 < str1ngs> there are two types one that manages layout.  and one that
you move around yourself
21:41 < str1ngs> ah i3 is a wmii clone ?
21:41 < Tonnerre> Not exactly clone
21:41 < str1ngs> well derived
21:41 < Tonnerre> It was implemented from scratch bsaed on different
principles
21:41 < Tonnerre> It gives a bit of the look and feel of wmii though
21:41 < Tonnerre> With less bugs that is
21:42 < str1ngs> ya wmii is abit dated now.  I used it for a couple of years
though
21:43 < Tonnerre> I could never get used to awesome trying to decide where I
want my windows placed
21:44 < str1ngs> I've tried awesome but ya never jived with me.  I rather
like simple
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21:59 < kevlar_work> I really like fullscreen windows, so I have lots of
desktops on a desktop cube on compiz and use keyboard combos extensively to switch
around between them.
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22:02 < Rennex> do you have a small display?
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22:03 < Rennex> i don't use windows wider than about 1280 pixels for almost
anything, on a 1920 wide screen :)
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22:04 < str1ngs> Rennex: some editors have there own windows/splits
22:05 < str1ngs> where I can see fullscreen being useful anyways
22:07 < crazy2be> https://github.com/unconed/TermKit
22:07 < crazy2be> :O
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22:08 < ww> sometimes i like to look at visualisations of graphs with a
spring layout...
22:08 < ww> if the graphs are big they are too busy to make out anything
clearly with a small window
22:09 < ww> but i only do that once or twice every few months
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23:52 < kevlar_work> aw, man
23:52 < kevlar_work> bike/shed has been reverted out of tip
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23:58 < crazy2be> kevlar_work: bike/shed?
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