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00:00 < skelterjohn> not that i know of, sorry
00:00 < magn3ts> oh if I'm in windows I'm installing mercurial.  not git,
heh.
00:00 < skelterjohn> i can make you one though
00:00 < magn3ts> I'm already most of the way there
00:01 < skelterjohn> by running "gb -D", which creates a distribution
directory that can be tarzipped, skipping any binaries ;)
00:01 < magn3ts> I guess goinstall -u should do it though
00:02 < skelterjohn> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4564102/gb-snap.tgz
00:02 < skelterjohn> goinstall depends on you having hg or git available
00:03 < magn3ts> >_> is this for go tip?
00:03 < skelterjohn> weekly
00:03 < magn3ts> :[
00:03 < skelterjohn> should be a simple change to do release
00:04 < skelterjohn> StringSlice, right?
00:04 < magn3ts> Split, but yeah.
00:04 < magn3ts> oh, and stringslice, yes.
00:04 < skelterjohn> yeah, i understand if it's not worth your time
00:05 < skelterjohn> but it's 2am for me right now and i don't have the
energy to repackage the release version
00:05 < skelterjohn> i need to get to sleep
00:05 < magn3ts> I don't mind, I am going to leave soon.  And I'm not going
to try to build go myself tonight to get to weekly.
00:05 < magn3ts> skelterjohn, that's cool, if you see me again and want me
to try it just hit me up
00:05 < skelterjohn> i'll do it at some point, and repost the download on
googlecode
00:05 < skelterjohn> but not right now
00:05 < skelterjohn> thanks for the bug report
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00:08 < magn3ts> so if I have #cgo CFLAGS: -I/c/WpdPack/Include/ and it
contains pcap.h, why would I be getting fatal error: pcap.h no such file or
directory?
00:19 < magn3ts> Yeah, any hint on this would be appreciated.  The file is
in the path laid out there...  is it possible that that path structure is foreign
to whatever cgo calls (gcc?)
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00:23 < str1ngs> create a simple test.c that uses pcap.h.  and build it with
gcc directly.  see how that goes
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00:46 < questionable> so why is this channel called, essentially, "go nuts"?
00:47 < chomp> why wouldn't it be?!
00:47 < chomp> two things people like: double entendres and go puns
00:48 < chomp> i mean, it seems like a winning situation here
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01:02 < jessta_> questionable: because the mailing list is called go-nuts
01:03 < Tekerson> I always read it as "gonuts" (like "donuts")
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01:19 < telexicon> whats the plan with generics?  i just wonder because many
statically typed languages started without generics but have all ended up with
them
01:20 < telexicon> it would be nice to avoid having the mess of a
non-generic collections library and a duplicate one for supporting generics
01:26 < questionable> man, the whole "you shouldn't say 'using namespace
std'" thing is silly
01:26 < questionable> let's say "using std::string", "using std::cout", and
"using std::cin" instead
01:26 < questionable> nice
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01:26 < questionable> clog up your program with rubbish
01:26 < telexicon> questionable, i agree, i think people took it too far
01:27 < telexicon> i understand the use of namespaces when theres actually a
conflict
01:27 < questionable> yes
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01:27 < telexicon> but usually there isnt, and i dont use fully qualified
names until there is one
01:28 < questionable> i hate the standard-library names
01:28 < questionable> it_all_looks_like_this
01:28 < questionable> so ugly
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01:29 < telexicon> i dont mind it
01:30 < questionable> what if you're using a library which has
NamesLikeThis?
01:30 < questionable> then you have code_like_this mixed with
OtherCodeLikeThis
01:30 < telexicon> yeah, the inconsistency is annoying
01:30 < brandini> What about Code.Like.This?
01:31 < questionable> telexicon: it fires off my OCD so bad
01:31 < questionable> brandini: that could be appropriate on occasion (e.g.,
c# properties)
01:34 < str1ngs> little did the channel creators know, nuts attract language
trolls :P
01:36 < jessta_> telexicon: the plan with generics is to not put them in
until they fit nicely in to the language
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01:54 < chomp> i think it's ok to not like things about go
01:55 * chomp is obviously also nuts
01:55 < telexicon> there are a lot of things about go i like very much,
thats why im here
01:55 < chomp> i appreciate the conservative approach though
01:56 < telexicon> what i was really wondering is, are they intending to add
generics, or still unsure whether they want to add them or not
01:56 < chomp> i think jessta_ has the right answer there
01:56 < chomp> as far as i can tell there's no certainty either way
01:58 < chomp> i actually wonder if generics might be too narrow a feature
to be useful on their own.  maybe a more generalized macro syntax would be in
order :)
01:58 < chomp> i should say "to be useful" - but to be worth implementing
02:00 < chomp> shouldn't* say..  blah.
02:03 < telexicon> as long as its typesafe
02:03 < TheSeeker> we could have a tabs vs spaces war, those are fun.
02:04 < TheSeeker> (tabs always win)
02:04 < telexicon> gofmt settles all that
02:06 < chomp> tabs obviously win, it's the width of them that often irks me
:)
02:07 < chomp> i hate 8-wide tabs
02:07 < chomp> wastin mah pixels.
02:07 < TheSeeker> good thing all useful text editors allow custom tab
spacing.
02:08 < chomp> yeah but alignment can still break when the tabwidth changes
if tabs are used in certain places
02:08 < chomp> (places where spaces should probably be used, of course)
02:10 < magn3ts> str1ngs, I tried the test.c and it compiled fine.
02:11 < str1ngs> magn3ts: with same CFLAGS ?
02:11 < magn3ts> well I inlined them, I can try exporting it
02:12 < magn3ts> CFLAGS=-I/c/WpdPack/Include gcc test.c fails
02:12 < magn3ts> but gcc -I/c/WpdPack/Include test.c works.
02:12 < str1ngs> this is windows right?
02:12 < magn3ts> yes.
02:12 < magn3ts> Mingw32 shell and tools at the moment.
02:13 < str1ngs> export CFLAGS="-I/c/WpdPack/Include"; echo $CFLAGS
02:14 < str1ngs> is that valid for CFLAGS btw I dont do alot of C
02:14 < magn3ts> It echoes back the exported CFLAGS (presumably correctly)
02:14 < magn3ts> I'm not sure if it's valid.  I thought that's how they
worked, but if I replace echo with gcc, it still fails.
02:15 < str1ngs> hmm
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02:17 < magn3ts> yeah, this fails in Linux too, I'm doing something wrong :S
I don't do a lot of C either
02:18 < str1ngs> magn3ts: in linus man gcc search for CFLAGS syntax
02:18 < str1ngs> lol linux evne
02:18 < str1ngs> even*
02:19 < chomp> magn3ts, wait what's the problem?  are you sure gcc is not
finding stuff in the path you gave it?
02:20 < chomp> oh i see.  it does work with explicit -I but not with CFLAGS
02:20 < chomp> i'm not aware of gcc actually caring about CFLAGS
02:20 < chomp> afaik that's a make thing.
02:21 < chomp> yeah, it is
02:21 < magn3ts> chomp, I see, the original problem was though, that it
wasn't working with cgo files.
02:22 < magn3ts> where I presume :P that CFLAGS are used.
02:22 < chomp> paste?
02:22 < magn3ts> chomp http://pastie.org/2215715
02:23 < magn3ts> cgo pcap.go gives: fatal errorl
02:23 < magn3ts> pcap.h no such file/dir
02:25 < chomp> well that isn't right.
02:25 < magn3ts> that being something I wrote?  :p
02:25 < chomp> wish i had a working mingw environment...
02:25 < chomp> no, the failure isn't right :)
02:26 < magn3ts> ah.  well for what it's worth I just used the mingw
installer and clicked "Next" and waited and it was done
02:27 < chomp> it doesn't look like a GCC problem
02:27 < chomp> when you run gomake and cgo tries to do its stuff, can you
see the gcc commandline it issues?
02:27 < magn3ts> I'll sure try.  I'd just been invoking cgo.
02:28 < chomp> ah
02:28 < magn3ts> argh I have to write a makefile for this though :/
02:28 < chomp> it's dirt simple
02:28 < chomp> copypasta
02:28 < chomp> here
02:28 < chomp> http://pastie.org/2215741
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02:28 < chomp> there's one of mine from a cgo project
02:29 < chomp> GOFILES for any non-cgo go code, CGOFILES for any files that
use cgo, CGO_OFILES for any plain old C files
02:29 < chomp> you can ignore that pamdefs crap probably
02:31 < magn3ts> holy cow, -d is really just going for it
02:33 < chomp> eh?
02:34 < magn3ts> gomake -d prints out debug info
02:34 < magn3ts> otherwise it gave me nothing more than cgo was.
02:34 < chomp> you should definitely see all the gcc commandlines...
02:34 < magn3ts> wow, it let me upload the whole paste before saying the
paste was too big
02:35 < chomp> even without -d you should see them
02:35 < magn3ts> chomp, http://pastie.org/2215754
02:35 < chomp> are you using release or tip?
02:35 < chomp> i wonder if that's changed
02:35 < magn3ts> release
02:36 < chomp> yeah that's pretty useless output right there.
02:36 < chomp> you'd probably see what i see with tip, or at least weekly
02:37 < chomp> for now you could always just try adding
CGO_CFLAGS=-I/foo/bar
02:37 < chomp> to the Makefile
02:38 < magn3ts> I've been avoiding trying to build go on Windows, I'm using
whoever's prebuilt stuff but I might give that a shot
02:39 < chomp> i have concluded that mingw package management sucks
02:39 < chomp> hence i have also yet to actually build it on windows D:
02:40 < magn3ts> well new errors, but it's something
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02:48 < angasule> I tried to build Go on windows today, but I got "Error 1"
and gave up
02:50 < magn3ts> heh, so now I have an example that builds fine in mingw but
when I use cgo it complains about some types.
02:50 < magn3ts> I'm wondering if there are DEFs for if Mingw and somehow
cgo isn't uh, using that information?
02:51 < chomp> what kinda complaints
02:53 < magn3ts> chomp, http://pastie.org/2215802
02:53 < chomp> are those from pam.h or something?
02:53 < magn3ts> also, there it prints out my CFLAGS...  it doesn't appear
to be pulling them from the go files in the release I'm on at least.
02:53 < magn3ts> chomp, pam.h ? no idea what that is.
02:54 < chomp> yeah i wouldnt be surprised at cgo being broken, afaik
release is pretty old?
02:54 < chomp> sorry, pcap.h :)
02:54 < magn3ts> chomp, I'm not sure where they're defined at, but they
build with gcc fine.  Like I said, there's a lot of preprocessor branching for
platforms in the pcap code, I'm guessing for mingw it aliases those to longs.
02:55 < chomp> i take that back, last release appears to be only 2 weeks old
02:56 < chomp> try including time.h?
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02:56 < chomp> before pcap
02:57 < magn3ts> same result
03:00 < chomp> did you just build pcap from source btw?
03:00 < magn3ts> no
03:00 < magn3ts> Someone maintains WinPcap, it's a bundle of windows drivers
and then pcap built for windows.
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03:00 < chomp> ahhhh.
03:00 < angasule> do you think having (r Reader) functionName(x, y int) in
an interface would make sense?  That is, an interface that requires a type to also
implement Reader?
03:01 < angasule> I'm not sure I'm making sense, half asleep and writing
code on IRC
03:02 < chomp> interface foo { io.Reader }
03:02 < chomp> will require any foo to also be a reader
03:03 < chomp> or rather, will include the reader interface constraints in
the foo interface; effectively the same meaning though
03:03 < magn3ts> chomp, I also cat | grep'd the header files in that include
dir...  none reference time_t or suseconds_t anywhere.
03:03 < chomp> magn3ts, yeah i just did the same thing a minute ago
03:03 < chomp> whered you get the winpcap binaries
03:04 < magn3ts> winpcap.org I think.
03:04 < magn3ts> Under the WinPcap tab, choose Development.
03:04 < magn3ts> I guess I could be helpful:
http://www.winpcap.org/install/bin/WpdPack_4_1_2.zip
03:04 < angasule> chomp: right...  I'm asking because of a different
reason..  hmm, need to think about this more, but I think it'll look awful
03:04 < magn3ts> chomp, DOH, they're not in the library, they're in the
pcap.go I found....
03:05 < chomp> doh :P
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03:05 < magn3ts> but I have no idea what to do about it still ._.
03:05 < magn3ts> haha
03:05 < chomp> oh wow, there they are
03:05 < chomp> proabbly just replace with time_t and suseconds_t
03:06 < magn3ts> still no suseconds_t but time_t is okay.
03:06 < chomp> no idea why someone would use a __ prefix
03:06 < chomp> eh just cast to a long
03:07 < chomp> C.long that is
03:07 < chomp> that's all usec is anyway
03:07 < magn3ts> oh now it's just back to my go incompetence probably.
03:07 < magn3ts> can't find import pcap
03:08 < magn3ts> oh doh, ./pcap
03:08 < chomp> :P
03:08 < magn3ts> still the issues of cgo CFLAGS.  I'll have to see about
that.
03:09 < chomp> but can you build with CGO_CFLAGS in the Makefile
03:09 < magn3ts> yeah, I'm still not able to get it to import from the same
directory though
03:09 * magn3ts is embarassed
03:10 < chomp> well you may need to copy _obj/pcap.a into the current dir
03:11 * chomp is not sure that will actually work
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03:11 < magn3ts> :/ what if that file doesn't exist?
03:11 < chomp> then it didn't build o_O
03:11 < magn3ts> http://pastie.org/2215856
03:11 < magn3ts> :[
03:12 < chomp> look around the dir/subdirs
03:12 < chomp> is there a pcap.a anywhere?
03:12 < magn3ts> lol no
03:12 < Nisstyre> yes
03:12 < magn3ts> o_0
03:13 < chomp> paste makefile?
03:13 < chomp> oh wait...
03:13 < magn3ts> http://pastie.org/2215859
03:13 < chomp> i doubt gomake will handle building two separate binary
targets nicely
03:14 < magn3ts> makefile http://pastie.org/2215862
03:14 < chomp> move the pcap code to its on subdir, and use that makefile
with TARG=pcap
03:14 < chomp> then make a new makefile without any of the CGO stuff
03:14 < chomp> for xbrdaemon
03:15 < magn3ts> interesting...
03:16 < magn3ts> http://pastie.org/2215868
03:17 < chomp> are you still including time.h in your pcap.go
03:18 < magn3ts> no
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03:18 < magn3ts> even with it, same result.
03:18 < chomp> :O
03:19 < chomp> well i know it's evil but you could also just use C.long
instead of time_t for now
03:19 < chomp> have no idea where to begin trying to understand why it hates
the typedef
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03:20 < magn3ts> heh and I'm trying to edit it in wordpad (vista/7 version
too)
03:20 < chomp> ><
03:20 < chomp> gvim or notepad++ imho
03:20 < magn3ts> I'm just going to put it on the shared drive
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03:26 < magn3ts> I'm getting closer...  I think I'm back to a makefile
problem
03:26 < magn3ts> ** No rule to make target `pcap.o', needed by `_cgo1.go'.
Stop.
03:29 < magn3ts> any hint here chomp ? I'm googling for cgo makefile
examples
03:32 < chomp> new paste pl0x
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03:34 < magn3ts> chomp, http://pastie.org/2215927
03:34 < chomp> sorry, of the makefile :P
03:35 < chomp> oh wait
03:35 < chomp> do you have CGO_OFILES:=pcap.o?
03:35 < chomp> if so remove that, that be bad
03:35 < chomp> thats for linking against compiled C code, which i needed in
my makefile i pasted
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03:40 < magn3ts> hm, doesn't seem to want to link properly now.
03:41 < magn3ts> http://pastie.org/2215944
03:41 < magn3ts> actually...  pcap_inject may not have a wpcap equiv
03:42 < chomp> that would be odd considering it's obviously in the winpcap
header
03:42 < chomp> or else you wouldn't be able to compile
03:43 < chomp> you could try replacing inject with sendpacket, they are
equivalent
03:46 < magn3ts> sendpacket through other errors, removing Inject results in
pcap.a, so it's almost there.
03:46 < magn3ts> more typedef problems with size_t/int with sendpacket
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03:51 < magn3ts> chomp, if I use sendpacket I have to use a uchar* instead
of void*, is there a ucharptr in cgo and if so, do I wrap that around a
unsafe.Pointer or just use it outright?
03:52 < chomp> you should be able to just use unsafe.Pointer afaik
03:52 < chomp> but hmm
03:52 < magn3ts> didn't like it.
03:53 < chomp> how about C.CString
03:53 < magn3ts> d
03:53 < magn3ts> http://pastie.org/2215992
03:53 < magn3ts> Let me try
03:53 < chomp> is buf a []byte
03:54 < magn3ts> buf := (*C.char)(C.malloc((C.size_t)(len(data))))
03:54 < magn3ts> uhm, maybe?
03:54 < chomp> oh just dont cast it at all
03:54 < chomp> it's already a char*
03:54 * chomp herps and derps
03:54 < magn3ts> char != uchar
03:54 < magn3ts> :P
03:55 < telexicon> are there any better tools for dealing with binary data
than the built-in go package?  Perhaps I'm missing something but it didnt seem
like it was able to handle being compatible with C structs with varying endian
conversions
03:56 < chomp> oh balls...  (*C.uchar) :)
03:56 < magn3ts> Even if I change *C.char to *C.uchar it still whines about
the typecast.  Not sure why it gets so bent up about them
03:57 < magn3ts> http://pastie.org/2216004
03:57 < chomp> oh it's not an unsigned char it's a u_char, which is a pcap
typedef
03:58 < chomp> i don't supposed (*C.u_char) will shut it the hell up?
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04:02 < magn3ts> =D
04:02 < magn3ts> =D
04:02 < chomp> working?!
04:02 < magn3ts> I want to see if I can import and use it.
04:02 < magn3ts> but it's building pcap.a
04:03 < chomp> awesome, hard part's done
04:03 < chomp> actually no the hard part is debugging all the panics after
it finally gets running ^^
04:03 < magn3ts> heh
04:03 < magn3ts> so I have src\pcap\_obj\pcap.a
04:03 < magn3ts> what is the right way for src\main.go to import it
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04:04 < chomp> great question, and i have no idea.  i know import
"pcap/_obj/pcap" should work, but that's effing ugly
04:05 < magn3ts> well I'm going to put pcap back into github
04:05 < chomp> im not sure what "./pcap" would look for, but i doubt it will
be smart enough to look in pcap/_obj
04:05 < magn3ts> if I can figure out how to get CFLAGS workign
04:06 < magn3ts> yeah ./pcap and ./pcap/pcap failed.
04:06 < magn3ts> You're right ./pcap/_obj/pcap gets me back to strings.Split
complaints which is fine.
04:10 < chomp> look into gb
04:11 < chomp> it's a build tool and handles multi-package projects with
like no effort
04:11 < magn3ts> Yeah, I'd been using goinstall for pcap
04:11 < magn3ts> and then gd (or gb..  I guess....  I've been hearing about
it all day :P) for xbr stuff
04:11 < chomp> though if you can make goinstall work (i know tip now uses
makefiles with -make) you can jsut improt "github.com/foo/pcap"
04:11 < magn3ts> goinstall won't work unless CFLAGS is fixed in tip.  That's
what I'm going to play with now.
04:12 < chomp> magn3ts, try goinstall -make
04:12 < chomp> that was added recently, maybe before last release though
04:12 < chomp> it will use your own Makefile
04:12 < magn3ts> the makefile will differ based on platform though
04:12 < magn3ts> unless -make takes an arg or gomake has some sort of GOOS
switching
04:13 < chomp> no idea there
04:13 < chomp> :(
04:13 < magn3ts> okay, well I hate Makefiles so I'm going to try tip until I
decide building go in windows sucks.
04:14 < magn3ts> and then 2 hours later I'll decide to wait until things
settle down with it and just dev for linux and worry about it in a few weeks
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04:15 < ray24> whats this chan about
04:15 < magn3ts> golang.org
04:16 < ray24> done reading
04:16 < ray24> now what
04:16 < ray24> i don't get it
04:16 < magn3ts> ray24, uh, the language go?
04:16 < ray24> ok, now i understand a little
04:16 < ray24> so what's your specialty
04:16 < telexicon> ray24, its a new language that addresses a specific
problem area
04:16 < ray24> oh, now I completely get it
04:16 < telexicon> ray24, systems language with modern concurrency
04:16 < ray24> Oh i see
04:17 < ray24> how come this is unpopular?
04:17 < magn3ts> who said so?
04:17 < telexicon> its supposed to take the simplicity and low-level
abilities of C with very lightweight concurrency like erlang or haskell
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04:17 < ray24> have you mastered such language yet?
04:17 < telexicon> ray24, its a very young language
04:17 < ray24> that's good
04:17 < ray24> youth is key
04:17 < ray24> thanks for the info
04:18 < magn3ts> chomp, lol I hope I'm not driving you nuts...  am I SOL if
when I run it ...  it asks for wpcap.dll...  but I only have a libwpcap.a and a
wpcap.lib ?
04:19 * magn3ts may have just said something excruciatingly dumb
04:19 < chomp> you should have the dll from winpcap
04:19 < chomp> if not you may need to install the actual winpcap package
04:19 < magn3ts> shhhh
04:19 < chomp> :)
04:19 < magn3ts> lol
04:20 < magn3ts> gorgeous, a pcap error, turns out windows doesn't have eth0
04:20 < magn3ts> oh this is fantastic.
04:20 < chomp> ohhhh burn
04:20 < magn3ts> This is just splendid, I'm so happy.  This is the farthest
I've gotten on windows with this project, it only took me rewriting it 3 times.
04:21 < chomp> whats referencing eth0?  your code?
04:21 < magn3ts> there's lot of hard coded debauchery right now
04:21 < chomp> surely theres some way to enumerate interfaces with pcap
04:21 < magn3ts> yeah, my own stuff at this point
04:21 < magn3ts> there is.
04:21 < chomp> word
04:21 < magn3ts> thanks a ton chomp
04:22 < chomp> abso - lutely
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05:57 < sunfmin> Does anyone have used https://github.com/paulbellamy/mango
?
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07:49 < GS> I have been struggling to read from file of gobs.  Except the
1st record all other records are nil.
07:50 < GS> My code is like in http://pastie.org/2216657
07:51 < GS> Unable to read any data written to the file.
07:51 < GS> Please help.
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08:33 < jessta_> GS: it might have to do with those errors you're not
checking
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08:37 < GS> I shall updte you immdtly
08:38 < aiju> in soviet russia, software updates you
08:42 < GS> Errors are like in http://pastie.org/2216825
08:42 < GS> Thanks jessta for ur interest
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10:05 < zippoxer> http: can I add an handler that will be executed on each
request (before other handlers)?
10:06 < zippoxer> i want to check if the cookie is fine before each request,
without writing the code again on each request handler.
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10:06 < jessta_> zippoxer: sure
10:06 < zippoxer> how?  :)
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10:07 < jessta_> wrap your handles in another handler
10:08 < zippoxer> oh so i'll have to do the routing by myself?
10:08 < zippoxer> just asking - it won
10:08 < zippoxer> t
10:08 < zippoxer> be a problem
10:08 < zippoxer> jessta_: won't*
10:11 < jessta_> zippoxer: servemux does the routing
10:12 < jessta_> and servemux is also itself a Handler
10:12 < zippoxer> handler of "/" ?
10:13 < zippoxer> "wrap your handles in another handler" - maybe I didn't
understand this right
10:14 < zippoxer> does it mean i need to have a handler let's say for "/",
that will check the cookie and then will call other handlers according to the
request path?
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10:17 < jessta_> zippoxer: you write a handler that will do your cookie
stuff and then call a servemux to handle the routing
10:18 < zippoxer> okay, and how do i assign that handler to the server?
10:23 < jessta_> zippoxer: http://pastie.org/2217130
10:23 < jessta_> something like that
10:24 < zippoxer> jessta_: okay thanks =]
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11:24 < TeTeT> hello, how can I convert a byte array to string in go?  I've
created a small udp server script and would like to print the received datagrams
as string rather than as byte: http://pastebin.com/4rYwhPxw
11:29 < exch> TeTeT: str := string(myArr)
11:30 < exch> reverse works to: myBytes := []byte("foobar")
11:30 < exch> Or if you want unicode runes instead of bytes: myRunes :=
[]int("foobar")
11:30 < TeTeT> hmm, not for me on ubuntu 10.04, $ gorun udp-server.go ...
udp-server.go:27: cannot convert buf (type [32]uint8) to type string
11:31 < TeTeT> exch: thanks for your help
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11:31 < exch> ah, it's a fixed array.  Make it into a slice: s :=
string(buf[:])
11:31 < exch> the [:] bit indexes all elements of the array and yields a
slice
11:32 < TeTeT> exch: rock'n'roll, it works with the slice
11:33 < exch> You'll find that Go prefers to use slices almost everywhere
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11:33 < TeTeT> exch: do you know if the resulting string is as big as the
fixed array or is it cut off at first \0 byte?
11:33 < TeTeT> just out of interest
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11:35 < exch> It's a new copy of the byte slice, so I'm guessing it's only
as big as it needs to be.  You can test it by printing out the values of the
builtin functions len() and cap() for both the string and byte slice
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11:35 < exch> eg: len(str) or cap(str)
11:36 < aiju> 13:40 < TeTeT> exch: do you know if the resulting string
is as big as the fixed array or is it cut off at first \0 byte?
11:36 < aiju> Go doesn't care about 0 bytes
11:36 < nicka> When would an array be used rather than a slice?
11:39 < TeTeT> thanks for the info, much appreciated
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11:43 < exch> nicka: In princile thats a matter of choice, but most (if not
all) of the library fu ctions which take or yield lists, will be using slices.
They are lighter and more versatile than arrays
11:45 < exch> A slice is really just a 'window' into a subset of an
underlying array.  Think of it as: struct Slice { int len; int capacity; void*
data; }
11:45 < exch> where data points to an actual underlying array
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11:46 < nicka1> Yeah, thus my question
11:47 < nicka1> When are bare arrays necessary, I guess?
11:48 < nicka1> Since slices are just a thin layer on top
11:48 < nicka1> Just curious of their use case
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11:51 < exch> I haven't really found them necessary at all.
11:51 < exch> For my use cases anyways
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12:22 < Kahvi> My only use for fixed size array has been for filling a
struct using bianry.Read.
12:22 < Kahvi> As it needs fixed size fields, I think.
12:23 < Kahvi> Didn't try if it works if I make() the slice of correct size
though
12:24 < jessta_> nicka1: making a struct with a fixed size array that you
can then slice on
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13:05 < pyrhho> is there an AMQP library for go?
13:05 < pyrhho> need to connect to a rabbitMQ server
13:06 < pyrhho> I don't see one on godashboard, but I'm curious if anyone
knows of one
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13:16 < exch> pyrhho: maybe on here somewhere http://go-lang.cat-v.org/
Otherwise I wouldn't know
13:17 < pyrhho> cool thanks
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13:38 < zippoxer> do you think Go in AppEngine is faster than Python?  (I
once saw that Python overtaken Java because of it's ORM or whatever)
13:40 < zippoxer> i really need better performance than Python for
processing thousands of rows from the datastore
13:40 * exch has no experience with appengine
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13:49 < Namegduf> zippoxer: Go is/can be quite a bit faster in general,
which I assume would apply to on AppEngine
13:50 < telexicon> zippoxer, pypy
13:50 < erus`> telexicon: you cant run pypy on appengine
13:51 < telexicon> oh right, appengine
13:56 < ww> why is everyone so concerned with speed?
13:56 < exch> Speed gets you fro A to B faster!
13:56 < exch> *from
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13:57 < exch> Besides, why make a user wait for an app when he'she doesn't
have to?
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13:59 < ww> can a user tell the difference between 100ms and 50ms?
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13:59 < telexicon> definitely
13:59 * ww suspects most often not
14:00 < Namegduf> Agile, Synergy, Depends
14:00 < Namegduf> Er
14:00 < Namegduf> Ignore that, I was listing words I'd used as ship names in
a game.
14:00 < Namegduf> *Depends.
14:00 < Namegduf> 100ms won't be too noticable on its own.
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14:00 < Namegduf> 100ms * however many operations happen to make whatever
the user asked for happen
14:01 < Namegduf> Quite well could be.
14:01 < telexicon> it makes a difference if you want something to be
responsive
14:01 < Namegduf> And in that context 100ms vs 50ms would be major.
14:01 < crest> ww: worstcase ftp with 10 * rtt per LIST
14:02 < Namegduf> Yeah.
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14:02 < exch> webapps are slow enough as it is with all the http overhead on
xhr requests.  The difference between 50ms and 100ms is something I would
certainly consider going for
14:02 < Namegduf> Speed is important for throughput, anyways.
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14:03 < Namegduf> In his specific case, it's because he needs to process a
lot of data, so I'm not sure the 100ms vs 50ms example is apt.
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14:08 < uriel> 13:38 < zippoxer> do you think Go in AppEngine is
faster than Python?  (I once saw that Python overtaken Java because of it's ORM or
whatever)
14:09 < uriel> I don't remember who did it, but somebody benchmarked Go on
appengine to be at least a couple of magnitude orders faster than python
14:09 < uriel> the problem there was just Java sucking, as always
14:09 < uriel> Go for obvious reasons needs no ORM ;P
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14:58 < zozoR> uriel, why does go not need orm?
14:59 < exch> Go doesn't have an object model where an ORM would make sense
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15:07 < zozoR> go doesnt have incompatible type systems anyway?  :P
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15:21 < jlaffaye> git on google code \o/
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15:38 < ray24> I got big nuts
15:39 < ray24> I'm glad my nuts are so big
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15:40 < ray24> To end with a positive note
15:40 < ray24> Hope you guys have a great day
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15:47 < nicka1> jlaffaye: git on google code?
15:47 < jlaffaye> nicka1: yup!
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15:48 < ray24> I got the biggest dick in here
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15:49 < ray24> if u got a girlfrend, she'd prolly dig me
15:50 < nicka1> is the git feature live now or are you just going by the
native git support issue
15:50 < ray24> yo whhhhhy i get the feeling that Im being ignored ?
15:50 < ray24> :(
15:51 < nicka1> we're intimidated by the size of your junk
15:51 < ray24> yeah : ) tats what i thought so too
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15:52 < ray24> =]
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15:53 < kergoth> you're lucky no one has gone to the freenode admins to get
you removed from the network yet
15:53 < kergoth> just a matter of time
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15:53 < ray24> I already confessed
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15:53 < ray24> I' pretty much friends with all freenode admins
15:53 < ray24> :D
15:56 < ray24> u jelly
15:57 < nicka1> thoroughly gelatinous
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16:15 < dforsyth> whats this about git on google code?
16:15 < dforsyth> oh snap git on google code
16:16 < nicka1> http://code.google.com/p/support/issues/detail?id=2454
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16:25 < vikstrom> vacation start in 30 mins
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16:29 < ray24> vacation doesnt start in 30 mins for u sorry
16:29 < ray24> you'
16:30 < ray24> you're confined for the rest of ur life
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16:34 < vikstrom> i'd prefer confinement before C# right now...
16:34 < vikstrom> cheers!
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16:46 < chanwit> any one heard of Go implementation on JVM?
16:46 < exch> It came up last week I think
16:46 < dforsyth> chanwit: http://code.google.com/p/jgo/
16:47 < dforsyth> incomplete, i think.  havent really looked at it
16:47 < kevlar_work> it was started awhile ago, stalled, and has been moving
along some recently.
16:47 < chanwit> dforsyth: yes, it seems to have only a lexer & parser.
16:47 < kevlar_work> They've apparently just recently implemented slices.
16:48 < kevlar_work> there are lots of interesting things it could do, but I
don't know if the jvm has nice ways to do things like panic, defer, segmented
stacks, etc.
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16:49 < chanwit> kevlar_work: I think slices are not hard to implement in
JVM.  The hard part would be the interface concept.
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16:49 < kevlar_work> chanwit, hence them recently adding slices.  I'm not
sure about interfaces; they're pretty simple, and java does have pointers...
16:50 < chanwit> kevlar_work: hmmm, what do you mean by Java does have
pointers?
16:51 < kevlar_work> it just may end up being slower than expected because
the jvm probably doesn't have easy ways to do the interface thing compared to
normal java object relationships.
16:51 < kevlar_work> chanwit, java objects are pointers
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16:51 < kevlar_work> (well, just as much as Go interfaces are pointers)
16:52 < chanwit> kevlar_work: you got a good point then.  If it'll be slower
than Go, is it worth to have another implementation on JVM?  (I'm asking because
I'm planning to do so.)
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16:56 < skelterjohn> honestly it sounds like a thankless and difficult task
16:56 < skelterjohn> difficult because go is still changing
16:56 < skelterjohn> though, import "java" might be interesting :)
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16:59 < chanwit> skelterjohn: import "java" is indeed interesting
17:02 < skelterjohn> i almost think it might be easier to do that within the
current impl, though
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17:08 < zozoR> i like how java is so bad, that people have made compilers
for a million other languages
17:08 < zozoR> compilers that compile to java byte code that is
17:10 < nicka1> the jvm is an attractive target
17:13 < chanwit> probably 7g and it produces .jar ?
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17:13 < chanwit> I am wondering why the number skips (5g, 6g then 8g)
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17:14 < skelterjohn> 6 is for 64bit
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17:14 < skelterjohn> 8 is for x86
17:14 < skelterjohn> don't know what 5 is
17:15 < ray24> skelterjohn, calm down
17:15 < ray24> you nutter
17:16 < erus`> any of you guys on google+?
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17:16 < skelterjohn> yes
17:16 < ray24> Uh ? if i said yes, r u gonna ask for a free friend request?
17:16 < ray24> and if i said no, r u gonna hold a grudge and try to hack me
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17:16 < chanwit> erus`: I am
17:17 < erus`> i have it
17:17 < ray24> Yeah so
17:17 < erus`> but i have like 2 friends
17:17 < ray24> So what
17:17 < ray24> sad, keep being a martyr
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17:17 < ray24> i aint gonna add u
17:17 < skelterjohn> why are you here?
17:17 < ray24> me?
17:17 < skelterjohn> no, the other guy
17:17 < ray24> he's prolly here to make friends
17:17 < chomp> wasn't ray24 trolling here last night
17:17 < ray24> to make himself seem cooler
17:18 < ray24> nope...
17:18 < skelterjohn> erus`?  he's here because he writes go code
17:18 < chomp> yeah...  probably
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17:18 < ray24> I don't troll bro..  i roll
17:18 < skelterjohn> if you have no interest in go, and just want to spout
nonsense, you can probably find a better place to do it
17:18 < chomp> ah, a very important distinction
17:18 < erus`> yeah i write go code!  not good code but code non the less!
17:18 < ray24> Go? the board game?
17:18 < ray24> rofl
17:19 < skelterjohn> no
17:19 < ray24> Who came up with these programming languages?
17:19 < skelterjohn> the programming language
17:19 < ray24> lol
17:19 < ray24> I dont even code man
17:19 < chomp> go was invented by space men from the future.
17:19 < skelterjohn> so, waste your time somewhere else
17:19 < ray24> I dont even know what C++
17:19 < ray24> is
17:19 < ray24> lol
17:19 < chomp> yawn.
17:19 < ray24> U think u smarter than me
17:19 < erus`> skelterjohnpm me your name :)
17:19 < ray24> cuz u spend 11 hours a day coding
17:19 < ray24> ^LMAO
17:19 < ray24> erus`, = weirdo
17:20 < ray24> god damn....  only creeps
17:20 < ray24> online
17:20 < erus`> haha
17:20 < ronnyy> can i convert a string to a byteslice?
17:20 < erus`> []byte(mystring)
17:20 < ray24> erus` prolly some weird dude with a weird face
17:20 < ronnyy> thx
17:20 < erus`> im quite pretty actually
17:20 < ray24> gremlin
17:21 < chomp> i have seven dicks protruding from my skull.
17:21 < chomp> each with their own brain, each one autonomous.
17:21 < erus`> i had a girlfriend too until today
17:21 < ray24> that's nasty
17:21 < ray24> ROFL
17:21 < ray24> erus`, = weird
17:21 < erus`> why the comma?
17:21 < ray24> "i had a girlfriend until today so I decide to add people on
google+ to replenish my soul"
17:21 < ray24> ROFLLL weird
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17:22 < ray24> u creeping me out man
17:22 < erus`> i just wanna feel loved again
17:22 < ray24> no one cares about u
17:22 < ray24> son
17:22 * kevlar_work checks to make sure he's still in #go-nuts
17:22 < ray24> ur gf prolly dumede u cuz
17:22 < ray24> u ugly
17:22 < ray24> dumped*
17:22 < chomp> kevlar_work, some little kid found an IRC client
17:22 * exch sets mode +q *@*
17:23 < ray24> rofl
17:23 < erus`> ray24: just jelly because i have google+
17:23 < ray24> ur ex-gf prolly doing some black guy right now
17:23 < skelterjohn> erus`: it's just my gmail address
17:23 < ray24> u're hurt inside
17:23 < chomp> i thought trolls were supposed to be entertaining
17:23 < ray24> she prolly taking it up the butt as we speak
17:23 < chomp> this is like not even 4chan quality stuff here
17:24 < str1ngs> ray24: racist remarks are against freenode terms of
service.
17:24 < skelterjohn> a good troll will say something to inflame the people
listening and cause them to argue
17:24 < erus`> how long was he idling?
17:24 < chomp> is it like amateur hour or something?  open mic trolling?
17:24 < skelterjohn> this is kinda blah
17:24 < ray24> i didnt make any racist rmark
17:24 * exch pokes adg . Cleanup on isle 3
17:24 < ray24> newbie
17:24 < ray24> lol
17:24 < chomp> yeah shallow schoolyard 'insults' arent really very
interesting
17:24 < ray24> skelterjohn, unfortunately, you couldn't do the same even
when ur not a troll
17:24 < ray24> damn
17:24 < chomp> start a religious flamewar or something, jesus.
17:25 < erus`> start with "go suck because"
17:25 < skelterjohn> i don't say things to cause people to argue when i'm
not a troll?  how unfortunate
17:25 < ray24> I don't believe in God
17:25 < ray24> skelterjohn, you're just a lonely 40 year old virgin
17:25 < skelterjohn> ok
17:25 < nicka1> this is a confusing conversation with ray set to ignore
17:25 < skelterjohn> haha
17:25 < chomp> yeah we actually started a club IRL for 40 year old virgins
who like go
17:26 < ray24> cool nicka cuz technically u dont exist
17:26 < ray24> u dont need to announce bro
17:26 < ray24> lmaooo
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17:26 < skelterjohn> iant or adg?
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17:26 < chomp> whee.
17:26 < ray24> hey, it's like going to a college party and announce "i just
hate this beer guys"
17:26 < kevlar_work> woah, as if on command.
17:26 < ray24> and no one cares LMAOOOO
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17:27 < kevlar_work> iant++
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17:27 < chomp> actually +q is even better
17:27 <@iant> yes, just did that too, I think
17:28 < erus`> skelterjohn are you drinking coffee in your pic?
17:28 < skelterjohn> i am
17:28 < erus`> phew
17:28 < skelterjohn> that's me, the 40 year old virgin, with my wife
17:29 < kevlar_work> wow, he's threatening me in PM.
17:29 < erus`> you dont look like a 40 year old virgin
17:29 < kevlar_work> and I wasn't even participating.
17:29 < chomp> you should really talk to her about that john
17:29 <@iant> he's randomizing on me too, bizarre
17:29 < str1ngs> kevlar_work: tell them in #freenode
17:29 < skelterjohn> just don't respond
17:30 < erus`> are there logs hosted anywhere?
17:30 < skelterjohn> erus`, you are tom?
17:30 < erus`> yeah
17:30 < skelterjohn> i've got a decent sized golang circle going on
17:30 < skelterjohn> 15 people
17:31 < chomp> aw i join golang circle
17:31 < str1ngs> google code has git now?
17:31 < chomp> yarp
17:31 < chanwit> really?
17:31 < skelterjohn> interesting
17:31 < str1ngs> can we get a git mirror?
17:31 < chanwit> cool
17:31 < kevlar_work> oh, did they finally add git?
17:31 < kevlar_work> nice.
17:32 < kevlar_work> did they add an easy way to import from svn/hg?
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17:32 < skelterjohn> the thing i liked better about github, though, was not
the repository but the way it was easy to fork and pull projects, and that you
don't have to worry about name conflicts
17:32 < chanwit> str1ngs: you won't get the version number if you build Go
from git.
17:32 < str1ngs> chanwit: I dont care so much.
17:32 < str1ngs> chanwit: generally I mirror to get from branching etc
17:32 < exch> my Go circle is a bit limited.  Circles shold be shareable
17:32 < skelterjohn> not the repository -> not that it had git instead of
hg
17:33 < skelterjohn> exch: i agree
17:33 < chomp> that would be an interesting feature, circle merging
17:33 < skelterjohn> well, i guess those would be groups instead of circles
17:33 < chomp> or even shared / linked circles
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17:33 < chomp> ah
17:33 < kevlar_work> I want to be able to make venn diagrams, yo
17:33 < erus`> visible circles
17:33 < chomp> venn diagrams!
17:33 < chomp> in fact we could have a full toolbox of boolean set
operations
17:33 < chomp> !
17:33 < chanwit> str1ngs: so do I
17:33 < chomp> the mathemetician's social network >.>
17:34 < nicka1> Yes, set operations for defining circles please
17:34 < skelterjohn> MyCircle <- the circle that contains itself
17:34 < chomp> mind, blown
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17:35 < chanwit> I was using git-hg but it's somehow not workig with a blank
commit that tagged r58.
17:35 < skelterjohn> i might have crashed google
17:36 < str1ngs> chanwit: ever since that started I've switch to hg, maybe
its for the better.  but seems I'm better with git.
17:36 < skelterjohn> i don't really understand how either of them work
17:36 < chomp> i can never decide which to use
17:36 < chomp> because of what skelter just said
17:37 < str1ngs> git and hg are comparable
17:37 < skelterjohn> the last vcs where i really knew how it worked was cvs
17:37 < kevlar_work> ("worked" lol)
17:37 < chomp> i mostly understand svn...  which sucks because svn sucks.
17:37 < str1ngs> hg lacks an index , which you get really use to once you
figure out how it works
17:37 < skelterjohn> kevlar_work: well, there is that issue
17:37 < kevlar_work> I find git's merges to be more intelligent than any
other vcs, though I think hg's are about as good
17:38 < str1ngs> http://eagain.net/articles/git-for-computer-scientists/
17:38 < kevlar_work> so that's one of the major reasons it's my go-to vcs.
17:38 < chanwit> I want +1 buttons here, lol.
17:38 < kevlar_work> I'm sure Google wants them everywhere too ^_^.
17:39 < skelterjohn> so with google+, is there any equivalent to a fb group?
17:39 < exch> not yet
17:39 < exch> A public circle might be a solution
17:39 < exch> *public/shareable
17:40 < chanwit> I sometime have a problem with hg when switching between Go
release and weekly.
17:40 < exch> G+ also needs a way to filter stuff by tags.  While I like
someone's pots on Go, I am not necessarily interested in their weekend at the
beach
17:40 < exch> *posts
17:40 < erus`> like twitter hashtags?
17:40 < chanwit> git is much more nicer when branching.
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17:41 < skelterjohn> exch: i think when someone posts, they have to target
you, rather than the other way around
17:41 < skelterjohn> so if they post about their beach weekend, they send it
to the right circle
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17:41 < skelterjohn> when they post about go, they send it to the go group,
which presumably you'd be in
17:41 < exch> Ideally, yes.  But so far I seem to be getting mixed stuff.
Which presumably means the sender didn't quite use the circles correctly
17:42 < skelterjohn> though i'm sure a lot of people will post to "my
cirlces"
17:42 < skelterjohn> yeah - the default is everyone, right now
17:42 < exch> But skelterjohn, yur suggesiton also means that the sender has
to have me in his/her circles
17:42 < chomp> str1ngs, that's a nice useful resource thanks
17:42 < skelterjohn> exch: yes i believe that is the case
17:42 < chomp> graphs > walls of text
17:43 < exch> I can follow someone without them having me in their circles.
But I have to see all their stuff
17:43 < skelterjohn> i could be wrong - there is the "following" group
17:43 < str1ngs> chomp: oddly enough I ran into Tv in here after reading
that post
17:43 < skelterjohn> is that what it's for?
17:43 < nicka1> I think it's just a default circle
17:43 < chomp> yeah it's nothing special
17:43 < exch> indeed
17:43 < chomp> it's "people whose bullshit you might want to see but who are
none of the above"
17:43 < exch> Only the 'blocked' circle has a special meaning
17:43 < nicka1> I'd like to be able to filter which circles show up under my
"Stream"
17:43 < str1ngs> chomp: also http://progit.org/
17:44 < chomp> str1ngs, awesome
17:44 < skelterjohn> nicka1: can't you?
17:44 < skelterjohn> you can certainly look at all posts from a single
circle
17:44 < nicka1> Can you?
17:44 < skelterjohn> by clicking on the circle
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17:44 < nicka1> Yeah, I'd like to choose which ones show up under Stream,
rather than have it default to all circles
17:44 < skelterjohn> but those posts won't all be related to the circle
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18:50 < bren2010> If anyone here has used GoMySQL, can they help me figure
out why http://pastebin.com/WnSaNtZ9 never puts a value in currResult?
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18:51 < skelterjohn> currRow?
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18:51 < skelterjohn> i don't see currResult on the page
18:52 < bren2010> Oh, yeah.  currRow.  Sorry.  :P
18:52 < skelterjohn> is it EOFing?
18:52 < bren2010> No. It goes through the right number of rows, but never
fills in the values.
18:53 < skelterjohn> dunno
18:53 < skelterjohn> never used it O:-)
18:54 < erus`> goto's cool
18:55 < bren2010> Reminds me of back when the only language I knew was
batch.  :D
18:55 < exch> bren2010: currRow has 0 length and 0 ccapacity
18:55 < exch> try: currRow := make([]interface{}, SomeSize)
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18:56 < exch> where SomeSize would probab ly be the number of columns you
expect
18:56 < skelterjohn> makes sense
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18:56 < skelterjohn> statement.BindResult() can't resize your slice for you
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18:57 < bren2010> Even then, it just leaves all the values as nils.
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19:01 < skelterjohn> is statement.Fetch() the equivalent of statement.Next()
in the java mysql api?
19:02 < bren2010> I believe so.  It should fill in the variables pointed to
in bindResult with the data of the next row.
19:03 < skelterjohn> oh here's the problem
19:03 < skelterjohn>
https://github.com/Philio/GoMySQL/blob/master/statement.go#L365
19:03 < skelterjohn> look at the function signature
19:04 < skelterjohn> oh, no you say "currRow..."
19:04 < skelterjohn> look here:
https://github.com/Philio/GoMySQL/blob/master/statement.go#L429
19:04 < skelterjohn> the elements of currRow should be pointers to allocated
memory
19:06 < skelterjohn> if you have "var x, y int" you can BindResult(&x, &y)
or BindResult([]interface{}{&x, &y}...)
19:06 < skelterjohn> make sense?
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19:10 < zozoR> int *kage = (int*)malloc(sizeof(int)*10000000); <-- why
does this not show on my ram?  : |
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19:11 < skelterjohn> it's only 40mb
19:12 < photron> zozoR: did you access it?
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19:13 < zozoR> 40mb should be visible
19:13 < zozoR> and i dont access it, i just create it
19:13 < zozoR> lost in compiler optimization?
19:13 < photron> zozoR: when you don't access it the kernel doesn't assign
pages to it
19:14 < zozoR> ok, ill try that
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19:39 < zozoR> i know this aint the C channel, but you guys are awesome
19:39 < zozoR> http://pastebin.com/pES1t80m
19:40 < zozoR> why does this not free everything?  :|
19:40 < zozoR> the list and all the nodes are made with malloc
19:42 < qeed> just use one of the 50000 linked list implementation out there
19:43 < zozoR> mini project for learning C
19:43 < exch> That doesn't teach one anything
19:43 < zozoR> exactly
19:43 < zozoR> :D
19:43 < zozoR> if i want something done i'd use go instead of c lol
19:44 < zozoR> but any ideas on why it does not free the memory?
19:45 < zozoR> List_Free() that is
19:45 < bawr> Can't say that I've looked into it, but you're a bad, bad
person for the way you mix next and prev.
19:46 < chomp> wat
19:46 < zozoR> oh yeah
19:46 < zozoR> xD
19:46 < zozoR> but that variable really isnt necessary
19:46 < chomp> zozoR, you aren't initailizing next
19:47 < chomp> nevermind.  i see.
19:47 < chomp> i'm more offended by the (*foo).bar
19:47 < chomp> just use foo->bar
19:47 < dforsyth> zozoR: what do your append/insert functions look like?
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19:47 < zozoR> i dont see why that matters, but sure, ill put it up
19:48 < zozoR> i like (*foo).bar better
19:48 < chomp> but it's not idiomatic
19:48 < chomp> so stop using it when you write c.
19:48 < chomp> THEY WILL ALL LAUGH AT YOU
19:48 < dforsyth> they wont laugh, theyll just be angry
19:48 < zozoR> http://pastebin.com/5UZ91sXP
19:48 < chomp> it's annoying to read.
19:49 < zozoR> (*(*foo).Bar).Foo == foo->bar->Foo?
19:49 < chomp> oh my god...  (*(*list).Last).Next...  please fucking stop
that shit dude
19:49 < zozoR> or == (foo->bar)->Foo?
19:49 < zozoR> xD
19:49 < chomp> list->Last->Next.
19:50 < chomp> there appears to be nothing wrong with your Free function
19:50 < chomp> or Push
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19:50 < chomp> how are you determining that no memory is freed?
19:51 < chomp> because i'm guessing that's the part you have wrong
19:51 < zozoR> look at my RAM plasmoid
19:51 < zozoR> : |
19:51 < zozoR> i suppose thats wrong
19:52 < chomp> what exact figure are you looking at
19:52 < chomp> where are you getting the information from
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19:52 < zozoR> its a ram monitor, it shows a graph of used memory
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19:53 < zozoR> when i allocate 1e7 ints and free them, it shows on the
display
19:53 < zozoR> like a litte wave :3
19:53 < bawr> So it's completely unsuitable for what you're doing.
19:53 < zozoR> better alternative?
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19:53 < qeed> valgrind
19:53 < bawr> I'd just use valgrind or mtrace, but I'm a *nix guy.
19:54 < qeed> hook malloc and free
19:54 < bawr> If you're compiling with gcc / mingw, mtrace may already be
available.
19:54 < dforsyth> i downloaded a file to my mac.  i can see it in finder but
ls doesnt show it.  the.  hell?
19:54 < zozoR> i use gcc on ubuntu ''
19:54 < chomp> it's not where you think it is
19:54 < zozoR> mtrace is installed
19:55 < bawr> zozoR: So read up on mtrace (wikipedia has a nice writeup) and
go wild.  :)
19:56 < bawr> (But don't run your program with tracing and 1e7 ints.)
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20:09 < zozoR> yay no leaks
20:09 < chomp> ^
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22:04 < angasule> I think I'm going to write a generics proposal and send it
to the list :-)
22:04 < aiju> there have been over 9000 generics proposals
22:04 < exch> Good luck
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22:04 < exch> Maybe this one's the charm
22:05 < skelterjohn> i have a good one, i think
22:05 < aiju> the final solution to the generics problem
22:05 < skelterjohn> kill everybody?
22:06 < angasule> hahaha
22:07 < skelterjohn> but the gist of my idea is this: we already have all
the functionality we need w/ the empty interface{}, we just want some type safety.
22:07 < KirkMcDonald> I admit, I have not read any of the generics proposals
for Go.
22:07 < aiju> and speed
22:08 < skelterjohn> and whenever a generic type/interface{} is used, to the
type assertion without the check (since it was done at compile time)
22:08 < aiju> don't forget speed
22:08 < KirkMcDonald> I just know that I like D's template namespaces.
22:08 < |Craig|> I want performance along with that safty.  Slice of bytes
-> slice of interface{}=fail
22:08 < angasule> KirkMcDonald: neither have I
22:08 < skelterjohn> i guess skipping the type check will add some speed,
but it's just a pointer comparison
22:08 < skelterjohn> no - the interface{} would hold the []byte
22:08 < skelterjohn> not []interface{} each holding byte
22:08 < angasule> skelterjohn: mine basically would be something like
"automatic casting" and using interfaces
22:09 < skelterjohn> we might both have the same idea
22:09 < angasule> I'll post it here first
22:09 < skelterjohn> but i feel like someone outside the go dev team will
have to figure out how to add it to the language
22:09 < skelterjohn> let people fool around with it
22:09 < angasule> skelterjohn: basically, automating boxing/unboxing, it was
proposed in one email some time ago, in a generics thread, but dropped due to some
other issue, which I may or may not solve
22:09 < skelterjohn> and then submit the CL
22:10 < skelterjohn> unfortunately i get a bit lost looking at the code
responsible for this sort of thing
22:10 < angasule> yeah, I've looked a bit into the source code, but it takes
quite a bit of work to add something like this
22:10 < angasule> yeap
22:10 < skelterjohn> and i don't really have the time to get up to speed
22:10 < skelterjohn> so i don't blame people for not taking me as seriously
as i'd like, w/ this issue
22:11 < angasule> I'll send the proposal, and if they don't see something
wrong right away, then it's just a matter of who will do it, and I might have
holidays coming up soon
22:11 < skelterjohn> you need a syntax proposal, too
22:11 < skelterjohn> there is another issue (which i feel is less important)
having to do with generic numeric types
22:11 < aiju> and don't forget the rings!
22:12 < skelterjohn> a function allowing only one of (int, float, etc)
22:12 < skelterjohn> but since there are a limited number of these numeric
types i feel like it's not that important
22:12 < skelterjohn> since you really *can* just write all the wrappers
22:12 < kevlar_work> I thought about putting together a generics proposal,
but I got busy.  It was basically this: you define a type MyType generic; then
whenever the compiler sees a type used as a MyType, it generates code for that
function/struct/slice/method with all instances of MyType replaced by the target
type.
22:13 < skelterjohn> kevlar_work: without looking at the original source?
22:13 < skelterjohn> rewriting the machine code?
22:13 < skelterjohn> with things changing size?
22:13 < kevlar_work> this is the compiler, who I am assuming has access to
the ASTs.
22:13 < kevlar_work> not the runtime.
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22:14 < aiju> not in other modules
22:14 < skelterjohn> nope
22:14 < skelterjohn> all you get is the .a file
22:14 < aiju> not even that
22:14 < aiju> just a bunch of .go files
22:14 < aiju> or wait, yes
22:14 < skelterjohn> :)
22:14 < angasule> skelterjohn: I did think about numerics...  basically,
adding Numeric as an interface of sorts :-)
22:14 < kevlar_work> I would emit the ASTs into the .a files :P
22:15 < skelterjohn> angasule: let me stop you right there - not gonna
happen
22:15 < aiju> in any case, this is going to kill compile time
22:15 < skelterjohn> kevlar_work: you want C++ style templates
22:15 < angasule> skelterjohn: why not?
22:15 < skelterjohn> angasule: just my hunch
22:15 < kevlar_work> skelterjohn, that's more or less what I have in mind,
yeah.
22:15 < skelterjohn> kevlar_work: I don't like the idea of sending the AST
along with the .a file
22:16 < skelterjohn> don't want to distribute code, etc
22:16 < kevlar_work> skelterjohn, that's only what *I* would do because I'm
not a compiler designer.
22:16 < aiju> yeah, code
22:16 < kevlar_work> I am certain that the compiler could be far smarter
about what it emits.
22:16 < aiju> must be kept secret
22:16 < angasule> I don't know squat about compiler design :-(
22:16 < skelterjohn> not a compiler issue - it's a
dev's-choice-to-withhold-code
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22:17 < angasule> C++ Templates have been doing ok and they have to reveal
code, so I don't think that's a huge issue
22:17 < skelterjohn> yes, but C++ has header files
22:17 < aiju> note for myself: rewrite plan 9 c compiler to include full
source into executable
22:17 < kevlar_work> skelterjohn, go has .a files.
22:17 < skelterjohn> and your entire template must exist in header files
22:17 < kevlar_work> and the template might as well be in it.
22:17 < skelterjohn> kevlar_work: so, for a package that is templated, put
the ast in there?
22:17 < skelterjohn> a special kind of ast
22:17 < skelterjohn> i mean, it's feasible
22:18 < skelterjohn> but would have some compile speed issues, as aiju
mentioned
22:18 < kevlar_work> skelterjohn, just one AST for each function/method that
has a generic
22:19 < kevlar_work> I don't see how you can have generics without (1)
incurring a compile-time hit, (2) incurring a runtime hit, or (c) revealing
code...  you kinda have to do at least a few of those.
22:19 < kevlar_work> my preferences is for 1 and c.
22:19 < skelterjohn> with my idea, the runtime hit is the cost of a
dereference when you use a generic type
22:19 < skelterjohn> which is small enough that at least *I* am not bothered
22:20 < kevlar_work> skelterjohn, that's true of interface{} too, which in
practice also incurs a lot more penalties too
22:20 < kevlar_work> the cost of assigning to and copying from, the extra
memory when passing/returning one, etc
22:20 < skelterjohn> what other penalties?
22:20 < skelterjohn> the generic interface{} would only be a pointer, since
type is assumed
22:20 < kevlar_work> the type assertion is probably the smallest hit of all
of them.
22:21 < skelterjohn> assigning to an interface{} has amortized constant cost
22:21 < skelterjohn> (it only has to check each type once against the
interface)
22:21 < kevlar_work> did you see ian's recent post about it?
22:21 < skelterjohn> the one i replied to?  :)
22:21 < kevlar_work> maybe?  lol
22:21 < kevlar_work> he listed like 12 extra costs other than the type
assertion
22:21 < skelterjohn> i thought he was pointing at specific cost
22:22 < skelterjohn> cost = code
22:22 < kevlar_work> the memory overhead, which he mentioned specifically,
is not code cost but time cost.
22:22 < kevlar_work> well, and memory cost.
22:23 < skelterjohn> that issue goes away with interface{}-as-generic
22:23 < skelterjohn> since the memory overhead is just a pointer to the type
22:23 < kevlar_work> and you think you don't incur any compile-time or code
reveal cost?
22:23 < skelterjohn> no code reveal
22:24 < skelterjohn> i don't know enough about compilers to definitively
answer the other bit, but i don't think so
22:24 < skelterjohn> maybe i should do a write-up
22:24 < kevlar_work> any generic proposal at all will incur a compile-time
hit of some sort because it's adding more type safety checking
22:25 < skelterjohn> ok, then yes, that would be in there
22:25 < skelterjohn> but i feel like that is not a big deal
22:25 < kevlar_work> I would argue that any generic proposal that does
enough to be satisfying has to reveal some amount of code because you can't
optimize or reorder or elide anything until the substitution has been made
22:25 < kevlar_work> you specifically pointed out how mine would incur
overhead...
22:26 < skelterjohn> not because of type safety
22:26 < skelterjohn> but because it has to generate extra code
22:26 < skelterjohn> and it can happen recursively, etc
22:26 < kevlar_work> skelterjohn, does your proposal allow you to use a
generic as a map/slice key?
22:27 < skelterjohn> yes for slices, i thought of a way to handle that.  i
hadn't given thought to maps or chans, but i won't say no yet
22:27 < kevlar_work> I'm somewhat worried that it takes any extra thought
22:27 < kevlar_work> mine is so simple that it's obvious that it can handle
those cases
22:28 < skelterjohn> yes
22:28 < skelterjohn> i agree
22:28 < skelterjohn> the issue is packing a slice into an interface and
still having it usable
22:28 < skelterjohn> you have to add an element-width field
22:28 < skelterjohn> so you know how to index
22:28 < skelterjohn> (with the generic code that doesn't know the actual
type at runtime)
22:29 < skelterjohn> so, this is slower than regular slice indexing
22:29 < skelterjohn> when the compiler multiplies by the element width to
give a byte offset
22:29 < kevlar_work> which is why I think the compiler should generate
separate code, ala C++ templates.
22:29 < skelterjohn> there are pros and cons
22:29 < skelterjohn> i would be happy to have your proposal happen
22:30 < kevlar_work> I still don't see how your proposal lets you have a
generic index your slice.
22:30 < skelterjohn> the generic box contains a pointer to the slice and
also the element width
22:30 < kevlar_work> because you don't know at compile-time that the generic
has a numeric underlying type
22:30 < kevlar_work> no no, if var a is a generic, I want to be able to
slice my []string with a
22:30 < skelterjohn> so, genericSlice[x] goes to
genericSlice.realSlice+(x*genericSlice.width)
22:31 < kevlar_work> and I want the compiler to barf if anyone tries to use
a non-numeric type for a.
22:31 < skelterjohn> that requires some extra syntax
22:32 < skelterjohn> to restrict what types are allowed as generics
22:32 < kevlar_work> not with my proposal :)
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22:32 < skelterjohn> sure
22:32 < skelterjohn> so, do you want individual functions to be generic, or
a whole package?
22:33 < kevlar_work> functions, basically
22:33 < kevlar_work> but also types or methods.
22:33 < skelterjohn> i think that adds a lot of complication
22:33 < skelterjohn> i think it's much simpler if it's the whole package
22:33 < kevlar_work> if I wanted that I'd use gotgo.
22:34 < skelterjohn> i like gotgo
22:34 < kevlar_work> my proposal is more like gotgo than yours ;-)
22:34 < skelterjohn> absolutely
22:35 < kevlar_work> my proposal is founded on one principle: the smallest
possible change to the language itself to accomplish generics in a way that is
easy to understand when reading the source code.
22:36 < skelterjohn> i admit that having it be a small change makes it more
likely to happen, but i don't agree that that makes it a better proposal than
otherwise
22:36 < kevlar_work> and the only change would be the addition of a
"generic" keyword that can be used in a type declaration.
22:36 < kevlar_work> I also think the simplicity makes it both more powerful
and more useful.
22:36 < kevlar_work> but maybe that's just me.
22:36 < skelterjohn> would a generic function have a different calling
convention?
22:37 < kevlar_work> no.
22:37 < skelterjohn> pkg.Foo<int>(1,2,3)
22:37 < skelterjohn> ?
22:37 < skelterjohn> you want the compiler to do type inference?
22:37 < kevlar_work> yes.
22:37 < skelterjohn> for a generic Foo(x,y,z T)
22:37 < skelterjohn> would pkg.Foo(1,2,3.0) be allowed?
22:38 < kevlar_work> the compiler would see "oh, okay, x is an int.
*compiles Foo for T=int* Okay, y is an int.  Z is a float.  Oh, stupid programmer,
fix your code!"
22:39 < kevlar_work> go doesn't do implicit casting, so I don't see how this
would be surprising.
22:39 < skelterjohn> do i do "type T generic; type R generic; func Foo(x T,
y R) { ...  }"?
22:39 < kevlar_work> yeah.
22:40 < skelterjohn> so the generic type is declared on the package level,
rather than the function level?
22:40 < kevlar_work> yep.
22:40 < kevlar_work> which has the advantage that from within a templated
function, you can call other templated functions with the same templated type.
22:40 < skelterjohn> then doesn't it make more sense to import the package
with the generics defined?
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22:41 < kevlar_work> skelterjohn, I really don't want to see four imports of
the same package for four different combinations of T and R
22:41 < kevlar_work> especially when the compiler can figure it out.
22:41 < kevlar_work> and you also don't need all of the code from the
package for each combination, probably only a few methods.
22:42 < skelterjohn> what if i have "type X generic; func Foo(x X) { var y
[]X; Foo(y) }"?
22:42 < kevlar_work> you'd get an infinite loop?
22:42 < skelterjohn> in the compiler
22:42 < skelterjohn> forget that the function runtime would be an inf loop,
too
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22:43 < kevlar_work> I fail to see how this is a problem with my generic
proposal over any other; specify a recursion depth of 100 and be done with it.
22:44 < skelterjohn> i'm just nitpicking
22:44 < skelterjohn> and thinking out loud
22:44 < kevlar_work> yeah, I hadn't thought about that particular case
22:45 < kevlar_work> but I still don't see it as a minus.
22:45 < kevlar_work> It's quite pathological.
22:45 < kevlar_work> we apparently still have infinite loops in our linker,
lol
22:45 < skelterjohn> do we?  oops
22:45 < kevlar_work> every few months there's a linker hang bug
22:46 < kevlar_work> I think there's one floating on the ml right now,
actually.
22:47 < kevlar_work> I would definitely like to see a list of what the go
team considered for generics and why each one was found lacking.
22:47 < kevlar_work> I feel like my proposal is so simple it has to be
something they thought of.
22:47 < skelterjohn> i wish the community wiki was editable by people not on
the contributors list
22:49 < angasule> hmm, how do I cast an interface back to its original type
(using package reflect, I assume)?
22:49 < skelterjohn> don't need to use reflect...do a type assertion
22:50 < skelterjohn> unless i misunderstand
22:50 < nicka> t.(type) isn't it?
22:50 < angasule> I only know the interface, I don't know the types it could
be
22:50 < skelterjohn> oh i see
22:50 < skelterjohn> yes, you can use reflect and get a reflect.Value
representing the real thing
22:50 < skelterjohn> and a reflect.Type representing its type
22:52 < angasule> but I don't think I can use the reflect.Type to cast it
back, hm
22:53 < skelterjohn> now i'm not sure what you mean
22:53 < skelterjohn> you cannot get a non-interface regular go object
without knowing the type at compile time
22:53 < angasule> I'll pastebin my proposal in a bit
22:53 < skelterjohn> but you can get a reflect.Value with an unknown (at
compile time) type
22:54 < angasule> friggin' milk froze, I want to eat cereal
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23:03 < kevlar_work> angasule, it's not possible to cast an interface back
"to its original type" because your code doesn't know what it is...
23:04 < kevlar_work> and even if you did, you wouldn't be able to use any of
its fields or methods, because the compiler had to know what those were at compile
time.
23:04 < angasule> kevlar_work: I'm wondering if there is enough informations
stored so that with a small compiler change this could be implemented to send
stuff through a channel
23:05 < kevlar_work> you mean like ch <- i.(original)?
23:06 < angasule> yeap
23:06 < kevlar_work> the only way for that to work would be for the carrier
type of ch to be interface{} or an interface loose subset of i
23:06 < kevlar_work> (at lest for the compiler to be able to check it)
23:06 < angasule> I'm wondering how generic channels are, I'm guessing they
are right now pretty generic
23:06 < kevlar_work> they're actually pretty specific
23:07 < aiju> they are specific to be generic
23:07 < angasule> I thought maybe they just moved pointers around or
something of the kind
23:07 < aiju> you can send anything with a channel
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23:07 < kevlar_work> angasule, they copy values around, yeah, but in order
for those values to be meaningful they must have strict type associations
23:08 < kevlar_work> and strict widths
23:08 < aiju> except you pass interfaces
23:08 < kevlar_work> when I say value, I mean whatever is being put into the
channel; that could be a pointer, interface, or bare value if it's not wrapped.
23:09 < kevlar_work> you're perfectly able to have a chan [1000]int if you
are masochistic enough
23:09 < aiju> it's just one page
23:09 < kevlar_work> and no pointers or interfaces will be slipped in there
to speed up the channel process.
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23:13 < angasule> milk is weird, first the water unfroze, so there was water
and very white ice...  then it became milk again
23:14 < kevlar_work> lol
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