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01:48 < s|k> just gives me 0's
01:49 < s|k> the random program
01:49 < s|k> http://pastie.org/2371134
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01:57 < chilts> hi moreas, you're from #appengine too :)
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02:08 < moraes> chilts, yeah, i've been learning this thingie
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02:30 < s|k> I was thinking of putting something on appengine just so I can
support go
02:31 < s|k> that is urge google to continue to support go
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02:38 < knowmercy> wonder if we'll ever be able to do go in NaCl
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02:43 < f2f> go had nacl support when it came out.
02:43 < f2f> it was removed because nacl is a moving target (and so is go)
02:43 < knowmercy> ahhh
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02:49 < moraes> s|k, i don't think you need to worry about that
02:50 < f2f> s|k, that code certainly doesn't work like it did in the
example from the go course.
02:50 < chilts> I think they use it internally for a few things now and
probably more in the future
02:51 < moraes> they are doing a big bet aren't them.
02:51 < f2f> s|k, post to the list to see what's changed.
02:52 < f2f> it is certaonly contrary to the spec: "If multiple cases can
proceed, a pseudo-random fair choice is made to decide which single communication
will execute.
02:52 < f2f> "
02:52 < f2f> certainly even
02:52 < f2f> if you don't want to post to the list i will :)
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02:53 < chilts> I think you're thinking the other way around ...  isn't the
pseudo-random case when you're _getting_ from a chan ...  not when you're putting
one in
02:53 < chilts> I'd suspect that in your case, the first case is being
executed and therefore always putting 0's into the chan
02:54 < chilts> and no 1's are ever making it into the chan at all
02:54 < f2f> the example in GoCourse Day 3, page 30 is identical to what s|k
pasted.
02:54 < chilts> hmm, can I take a look, have you got a link?
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02:55 < f2f>
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgolang.org%2Fdoc%2FGoCourseDay3.pdf&ei=q4pITvmAMcnjiAL-zYjbAQ&usg=AFQjCNF4uYHDMK_LwuU3ZGBwXwksCucN5g&sig2=HIbpWQba2GLRrC2DoqPJqg
02:55 < f2f> err, that's the search result
02:55 < f2f> nevermind
02:55 < f2f> it'll stull get you to the link
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02:56 < chilts> f2f: you're talking about http://pastie.org/2371134 ?
02:56 < f2f> yes
02:56 < chilts> that's a lot different to what you just pasted
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02:57 < chilts> hmm, wait, I was looking at something different :)
02:57 < f2f> :)
02:59 < chilts> ok, so I downloaded and compiled that program and get lots
of 0's and 1's in random order
02:59 < chilts> (pseudo random order)
02:59 < f2f> i get lots of 0s.  on osx 6g and linux 8g
03:00 < chilts> I'm on Linux : 6g version release.r59 9022
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03:00 < chilts> seems fine to me
03:00 < f2f> hmm.  still 0
03:01 < f2f> 9354 is my release
03:01 < f2f> 9414 for 8g
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03:03 < f2f> let's see if i revert to 9022
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03:04 < f2f> i'm almost sure it has to do with dmitry's fastpaths :)
03:05 < f2f> yes, i get random 0s and 1s at release 9022.
03:05 < f2f> s|k please report this violation of the spec.
03:05 < s|k> 19:38 < knowmercy> wonder if we'll ever be able to do go
in NaCl
03:05 < f2f> s/release/revision
03:05 < s|k> ^^^^^ this
03:05 < s|k> Native Client in go?  +1
03:06 < s|k> f2f: violation of the spec?
03:06 < s|k> oh just getting 0's?
03:06 < f2f> once again, go was ported to nacl.  the port was taken out to
wait for both to stabilize.
03:06 < f2f> the 0s are a violation of the spec
03:07 < s|k> "If any of the resulting operations can proceed, one of those
is chosen and the corresponding communication and statements are evaluated.  "
03:07 < s|k> is what the spec says
03:07 < s|k> and one is chosen, it's just always the same one
03:07 < f2f> "If multiple cases can proceed, a pseudo-random fair choice is
made to decide which single communication will execute." is what i see
03:07 < s|k> f2f: nice about native client
03:07 < s|k> oh man
03:07 < s|k> I suck at reading the spec
03:07 < s|k> :(
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03:08 < s|k> I'll open an issue about the 0's
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03:09 < f2f> k
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03:11 < s|k> I'll add this log to the issue
03:11 < f2f> take the part where i blame dmitry out ;)
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03:13 < s|k> ha
03:13 < niemeyer> f2f: Did you find the actual revision?
03:14 < f2f> no
03:15 < f2f> once i went back to 9022 it's a pain to revert to newer stuff
-- codereview is broken with hg 1.9
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03:18 < s|k> f2f:
http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=2152&colspec=ID%20Status%20Stars%20Priority%20Owner%20Reporter%20Summary
03:20 < s|k> does hg have something like git bisect?
03:20 < s|k> that's what I'd use if this were git instead of hg
03:20 < s|k> I could give it a try since I don't have any code reviews or
whatever to worry about
03:21 < s|k> so Google is fully comitted to go?  I hope so
03:21 < s|k> I really really like it
03:21 < s|k> the interface thing, so wonderful
03:22 < s|k> and channels are pretty awesome too
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03:22 < s|k> not crazy about garbage collection though :P
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03:24 < s|k> actually I don't think I could do something like git bisect
since only the weekly releases build on OS X Lion
03:25 < f2f> i'm at tip and i've not had any issues with compilation on osx
lion
03:26 < s|k> I posted on the list about it today
03:27 < f2f> 9433 (latest sync at tip) compiled fine just now.  i have not
seen your message to the list
03:27 < s|k> "egrep: Regular expression too big" many times and then it
can't find fmt later on and throws an error
03:28 < f2f> that's too old a revision
03:28 < s|k> well I ran hg update
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03:28 < f2f> hg pull -u; hg revert -r tip
03:28 < s|k> is tip the same as HEAD?
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03:28 < s|k> in git that is
03:29 < f2f> i think so
03:29 < s|k> let me try that
03:29 < f2f> not familiar with git
03:30 < s|k> it's not doing it now
03:30 < s|k> :|
03:30 < s|k> could have just been some hg ignorance
03:30 < |Craig|> s|k: you probably forgot to pull, I do that...
03:31 < s|k> let me update the list now
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03:32 < s|k> gopack grc _test/http/cgi.a _gotest_.6
03:32 < s|k> --- FAIL: cgi.TestCopyError (5.29 seconds) post-conn.Close,
expected child to be gone
03:32 < s|k> different error
03:32 * s|k shrug
03:33 < f2f> that's now a hg barf
03:33 < s|k> a what
03:33 < f2f> i've seen the same error.  it went away when i did a hg clone
by hand
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03:33 < f2f> in a separate directory
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03:33 < s|k> hg screwed up the pull?
03:34 < f2f> i can't put my finger on it, but that's my suspicion.  the
error went away with a fresh clone
03:34 < s|k> does hg apply diffs for each revision as svg does?
03:34 < s|k> er
03:34 < s|k> svn
03:34 < f2f> i couldn't debug it in time, but i remember having lots of
dangling .orig files.  i think it's due to too many reverts
03:35 < s|k> I see
03:35 < f2f> i don't know what svn does.  stopped using it in 2008 for hg.
03:35 < s|k> each revision in svn is a diff
03:35 < f2f> but my use cases are a lot less complicated :)
03:35 < s|k> if I recall correctly
03:35 < s|k> git just stores the object for each revision, not diffs
03:36 < f2f> to orient yourself do 'hg tags' to see all tags, then 'hg
identify' should be able to give you a string to match against those
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04:45 < f2f> niemeyer: it's between 9207 and 9208, i.e., 9207 exhibits the
old behavious, 9208 exhibits the new, broken one.
04:45 < f2f> i'll add a comment to the issue page
04:45 < niemeyer> f2f: Ah, superb..  should be easy to fix then
04:45 < niemeyer> f2f: Thanks for figuring that out
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04:48 < f2f> i haven't even looked at what has changed between the two yet.
just doing a -revert binary search between tip and 9022 :)
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04:49 < f2f> ugh.  that doesn't make much sense :)
04:53 < f2f> something's wrong.  those are not the correct numbers
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04:56 < s|k> might make sense to make a test for the select thing
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04:58 < niemeyer> f2f: Revert binary search?
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04:59 < niemeyer> f2f: If it's between 9207 and 9208, it means the bug is in
9207..  diff -r 9207:9208
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05:02 < f2f> 9236 and 9237 are the two releases.  i don't know what was
wrong with my other test environment, but 9207 and 9208 didn't make much sense --
it's a test case that got augmented.
05:02 < f2f> 9237 is actually select changes.
05:02 < f2f> $ hg log -r 9237
05:02 < f2f> changeset: 9237:2ccdb29d715c
05:02 < f2f> user: Dmitriy Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>
05:02 < f2f> date: Thu Jul 21 13:57:13 2011 -0400
05:02 < f2f> summary: runtime: faster select
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05:03 < niemeyer> f2f: Your test environment wasn't wrong..  revisions
numbers are not stable
05:04 < niemeyer> f2f: Please include the actual id in the bug
05:04 < f2f> i did
05:04 < niemeyer> f2f: Ah, superb than, thanks again!
05:04 < f2f> didn't know that
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05:05 < f2f> ugh.  it makes sense since hg allows me to make local changes.
9207 was probably the diff on the go.googlecode server
05:05 < f2f> thanks for letting me know
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05:47 < niemeyer> f2f: Hmm..  I think I have the fix..
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05:52 < f2f> want me to test?
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05:55 < f2f> what's the cause of the problem?  is it a fastpath skipping the
randomization part?
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05:58 < f2f> if somebody wrote a bot surely they would put the PONG response
before the auto-join channels bit, right?
05:59 < f2f> stiletto: looking at you.
05:59 < niemeyer> f2f: Writing a test case..  CL in a bit
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06:08 < f2f> s|k: so after all that back/forth in the revision history I now
have a broken tree at tip what won't compile.  different error than what you saw,
but I haven't done a pull since the last time i reported it worked on Lion a few
hours ago.  it's easy to blame hg in this case
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06:11 < kuroneko> uriel: Uncertain.  I'm the only Go coder here at the
moment.
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06:16 < niemeyer> f2f: Tested..  building CL
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06:23 < s|k> f2f: wow, that's kind of scary
06:26 < f2f> yes, i agree.
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06:26 < s|k> is go not great for writing a kernel because of the garbage
collection?
06:26 < f2f> i don't know why it happens, but the excessive number of .orig
files leads me to believe that reverting to the future does treat some changes as
local, whereas they shouldn't be.
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06:28 < s|k> I prefer git's method of storing whole files from all revisions
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06:28 < s|k> and using a hash of the file to represent it
06:30 < napsy> Hello.  Can I give a mathod name for a response function in
http.HandleFunc() ?
06:31 < f2f> niemeyer: your fix works for me.
06:31 < s|k> you can call methods as functions by passing the type receiver
as the first argument
06:31 < f2f> on tip
06:31 < niemeyer> f2f: Sweet
06:31 < s|k> so I'd think the answer is yes
06:31 < f2f> let's see how linux does.
06:32 < s|k> napsy: http://golang.org/doc/go_spec.html#Method_expressions
06:32 < napsy> s|k: it doesn't work that way.  HandleFunc() complains about
mismatched arguments
06:32 < s|k> "f := T.Mv; f(t, 7)"
06:32 < s|k> you can also create closures
06:32 < s|k> and use anonymous functions
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06:33 < napsy> yes but I have a mathod I want to use as a http response
handler
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06:34 < s|k> well I get why it would complain about the arguments
06:35 < s|k> Just always wrap the method inside an anonymous function when
you pass it
06:35 < s|k> you can have methods that return functions too right
06:36 < f2f> niemeyer: do you need official confirmation on the issue page?
i'm waiting for my linux env to rebuild before i can test 6g and 8g there and i
can give you the LGTM, if you're waiting for it
06:36 < s|k> I shouldn't be giving advice about go since I have yet to write
a single line of go, I've just been reading the spec for the last few days
06:36 < s|k> I think I'm right though :P
06:36 < niemeyer> f2f: I just need a core dev to LGTM on the review
06:37 < f2f> ok
06:37 < s|k> napsy: so what if you have a method that returns a function
that calls another one of your methods?
06:38 < s|k> so something like http.HandleFunc(pattern, T.getHandler())
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06:38 < s|k> or maybe that should be a lower case t since I'm thinking of an
instance
06:40 < f2f> niemeyer: works on 8g and 6g on linux too.  thanks for the fix.
06:40 < s|k> f2f && niemeyer: wow you guys got that fixed already?!
06:40 < s|k> nice
06:40 < niemeyer> f2f: Neat!  Thanks for hunting the revision down.
06:40 < s|k> well I guess niemeyer did
06:40 < s|k> well both
06:40 < niemeyer> s|k: Well..  I wouldn't have gotten onto it that late if
f2f hadn't figured the revision
06:41 < s|k> is that test new?
06:41 < s|k> http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=2152#c5
06:42 < s|k> really amazing how quickly this went from reported to fixed and
tested
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09:18 < xyproto> wrtp: :)
09:18 < xyproto> Anything new in the marvellous world of Go?
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11:50 < gnuvince> Does Go (with gc) pre-allocates goroutines?  I have a
program that should launch no more than 4 goroutines at once and they should
complete pretty quickly, but htop reports that I have 50 children to my program
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11:56 < jessta> gnuvince: 50 children?  as in threads?
11:56 < xyproto> gnuvince: if you post the code at ie.  go.pastie.org, I'm
sure someone here will find the answer to why
11:56 < xyproto> (the relevant code) :)
11:56 < moraes> yay, motorola phones will run go!
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/supercharging-android-google-to-acquire.html
11:57 < gnuvince> Does a link directly into github work?
11:57 < moraes> and good morning.
11:57 < jessta> gnuvince: sure
11:58 < xyproto> gnuvince: absolutely
11:58 < gnuvince>
https://github.com/gnuvince/profbot/blob/master/pkg/profbot/irc/connection.go#L102
, that's the only place I launch goroutines.
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12:00 < xyproto> moraes: technology wise, very cool.  Otherwise, it's a bit
scary.  Google is just growing and growing, a bit like the monster without a face
in Spirited Away ;)
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12:04 < moraes> xyproto, this is probably just about patents.
12:04 < moraes> motorola has 10-20k mobile patents.
12:05 < moraes> and google is fragile being sued from all sides.
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12:05 < xyproto> moraes: yes, it looks that way.  And I understand the need
to aquire defensive patents, in light of the ridiculous patent system in the US.
But still, Motorola is quite an aquisition
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12:07 < jessta> gnuvince: what is a Snarfer?
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12:10 < gnuvince> jessta: when an IRC message (any IRC message) is received
by the bot, it is sent to all snarfers, which are function that take that message
and can perform some action.  For instance, if a message with something that looks
like a URL is received, one of the snarfers will extract it and insert it into a
SQLite database.
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12:13 < jessta> gnuvince: what did you set GOMAXPROCS to?
12:14 < gnuvince> 2 I think
12:14 < gnuvince> This machine (hosted by Linode) has 4 CPUs
12:15 < jessta> ah, using sqlite with cgo?
12:16 < jessta> I don't think a thread that is in cgo counts toward
GOMAXPROCS
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12:19 < jessta> gnuvince: so if the snarfers are calling sqlite then the
runtime will be creating more threads
12:20 < gnuvince> Does gosqlite use threads?
12:21 < jessta> any call in to C code will require a thread to run in
12:21 < gnuvince> and is there a reason why those threads would not
terminate?
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12:22 < jessta> if they are blocking on something, infinite loops etc.
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12:28 < gnuvince> jessta: basically, the kind of thing people really hate to
debug ;)
12:29 < gnuvince> Well the snarfers that write to the db share the same
*sqlite.Conn and there's no mutex.  I guess I could have a db.Loop() goroutine
that reads func(*sqlite.Conn) from a channel and executes those queries
sequentially.
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13:45 < leterip> holy crap it totally works
13:45 < leterip> i love go
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14:01 < steven> Hello.  Is there any news on generics yet?
14:01 < shoenig> not really, no
14:01 < steven> Blech.
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14:08 < mkb218> i guess you could do that in C or C++ if you had a
channel-like mechanism
14:08 < aiju> there are channels in C
14:08 < aiju> http://man2.aiju.de/2/thread
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14:12 < mkb218> can you pass around pointers to functions with receivers in
go?
14:13 < aiju> yes, using closures
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14:46 < qeed> im following the golang codewalk package and i cant seem to
get it to work exp/template i have this http://pastie.org/2375477
http://pastie.org/2375478
14:47 < qeed> the output of {Title} is still {Title} after its been
processed by template
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15:52 < jessta> qeed: that should be {{Title}}
15:54 < qeed> thanks though i get template: index.html:8: function "Title"
not defined i passed the Page struct to the template.Execute
15:54 < qeed> is that right?, i parsed the html body though
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16:20 < vldcnst> Hi, trying to compile go but I get some errors:
http://pastebin.com/wpBPUyuw
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16:28 < knowmercy> I didn't know joel sing worked at google
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16:31 < f2f> vldcnst, you need netdb development libraries, as far as I
remember.  you should be able to get around this by defining CGO_ENABLED to 0 in
src/Make.inc
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17:21 < dohug> I saw a cool vp8 decoder in go
http://code.google.com/p/vp8-go/.  Does anyone know if there is a vp8 encoder in
go?
17:23 < Kahvi> Is there any scripting or plugin possibility for Go programs?
17:25 < Halavanja> The only way I would know how to use a plugin would be
with the interface feature
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17:25 < Halavanja> Create generic code and then plug in what you need
17:25 < Halavanja> but Im not 100% sure
17:25 < jessta> Kahvi: there isn't any runtime code loading
17:28 < Kahvi> Oh well, I hope there will be some day
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17:30 < Kahvi> But I thought you can load Dlls.  Wouldn't be too fun to
write all the plugins in C though.
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17:30 < Kahvi> And accessing Go stuff from C sounds tricky.
17:31 < nicka> Make plugins separate programs and use rpc
17:35 < Kahvi> nicka, Sounds messy as I would use lots of plugins/scripts
but works as temporary solution for sure.
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17:36 < nicka> You should integrate building your application into the
application
17:37 < nicka> Then distribute plugins as go source
17:37 < nicka> :P
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17:43 < Halavanja> That's actually where I'm trying to take my project next
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17:45 < nicka> cool
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17:45 < Kahvi> But it requires a restart for the plugins to work.
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17:48 < nicka> Plenty of systems require that with runtime code loading,
don't they?
17:49 < nicka> eclipse comes to mind but I haven't touched it in a while
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17:51 < Kahvi> Well, true.
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17:56 < f2f> niemeyer: ping?
17:56 < niemeyer> f2f: Hey
17:56 < f2f> do you want to see the hg issues talked about 12 hours ago?
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17:57 < niemeyer> f2f: Sure, I guess :-)
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17:57 < f2f> well, i don't know who else to bug :)
17:58 < f2f> who would be most fluent in hg?
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18:04 < uriel> 17:23 < Kahvi> Is there any scripting or plugin
possibility for Go programs?
18:05 < uriel> see the VMs and languages section:
http://go-lang.cat-v.org/go-code
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18:05 < uriel> (Gelo in particular)
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18:06 < Kahvi> uriel, Thanks, cat-v should've been the first palce to check.
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18:10 < niemeyer> f2f: What are the issues?
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18:10 < niemeyer> f2f: I'll be happy to help if I know how
18:11 < f2f> i'll post to the list instead of bothering you.  in essence, on
a pristine install if I do the following the test will break:
18:11 < f2f> $ hg revert -r f9491b73dcf7 src/pkg/exp/template
18:11 < f2f> $ hg revert -r tip src/pkg/exp/template
18:12 < f2f> $ cd src && ./all.bash
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18:12 < f2f> test exp/template
18:12 < f2f> TEST FAIL exp/template
18:12 < f2f> make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/go/src/pkg/exp/template'
18:12 < f2f> gotest -test.short -test.timeout=120
18:12 < f2f> rm -f _test/exp/template.a
18:12 < f2f> there is another such issue with package net, but i haven't
bothered to track the revision that breaks it
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18:13 < f2f> the next revision that touches exp/template is 8 revisions
later (14872cc7275f)
18:13 < f2f> that doesn't exhibit the issue.  i.e., i can revert to it and
back to tip without breaking anything.
18:13 < f2f> s/anything/the build/
18:13 < f2f> would you rather i post to the list?
18:14 < niemeyer> f2f: Hmm
18:14 < niemeyer> f2f: No, tell me more
18:15 < str1ngs> f2f: you have not clearly stated the issue though.
18:15 < str1ngs> maybe start from the top
18:15 < f2f> i've only given steps to reproduce it
18:15 < niemeyer> f2f: I don't understand what's the bug yet, and why you're
fiddling with exp/template independently from the rest
18:16 < f2f> it's a pristine clone of the googlecode repo.
18:16 < f2f> i'm _not_touching_anything_ besides the commands provided
above.
18:17 < f2f> nvm, it'll be easier to dump everything on the list :)
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18:17 < str1ngs> yes but seems you are cherry picking commits
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18:18 < f2f> no, i'm not.  i'm always compiling at tip.
18:19 < str1ngs> ok so the problem is template tests fail from tip?
18:19 < f2f> all i'm doing is moving back in time, then forward again.
mercurial should ensure that this doesn't cause a problem, right?  i just revert
to a particular commit because it's closest to whatever causes the issue.
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18:19 < f2f> they don't fail at tip.  they only fail when i move back to a
particular revision and then back to tip.
18:20 < str1ngs> ah did you clean?
18:20 < f2f> all.bash cleans
18:20 < str1ngs> double check for object files either way.
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18:20 < str1ngs> it may not clean tests probably does but check
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18:21 < niemeyer> f2f: Yeah, just dump on the list..
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18:25 < f2f> str1ngs: everything is done in a pristine clone.  there are
literally no object files in the repo at all.
18:25 < f2f> dumping to list, sorry for the noise.
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18:29 < str1ngs> niemeyer: I just saw 9407:ed3e04904ee7 nice
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18:31 < niemeyer> str1ngs: Thanks.  This was something that I was doing in
an ad-hoc way for a while when building packages, and the change from adg prompted
me to do something slightly more polished.
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18:33 < str1ngs> niemeyer: I'll look into this solution more.  but seems
better then what was currently used.
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18:35 < str1ngs> f2f: I think revert might be wrong here.  have you tried
with update?
18:37 < str1ngs> f2f: revert will only effect the files you revert.  which
means they will be out of sync with the reset of the hg tree.  from how I read
this.
18:37 < f2f> hm
18:38 < str1ngs> try with hg update -r <rev>
18:38 < str1ngs> that should effect the whole tree.  which I think it more
of what you want.
18:39 < f2f> update works.
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18:40 < str1ngs> I'm much better with git.  but my impression is revert
cherry picks the path you specify
18:40 < str1ngs> which would explain the problem you are having.
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18:44 < f2f> so, to summarize: "update can go backwards, revert can't go
forwards (sometimes)" :)
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18:48 < str1ngs> right
18:49 < str1ngs> 9/10 times you want to use update I would think.
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20:12 < itrekkie> Hi all-does it make sense to build a cmd using gomake that
uses cgo?  Bulding as a package works file, but building as a command invokes gc
incorrectly, wondering if I'm nuts or if this is an okay approach
20:13 < str1ngs> cgo can not be used in cmd packages
20:13 < str1ngs> atleast I have not seen this.  someone can correct me if
I'm wrong.
20:15 < itrekkie> how would you go about creating a cmd that does use cgo?
Is cgo even appropriate for this?  just calling C functions
20:15 < str1ngs> use a pkg to isolate the C code.  this way your cmd package
only deals with go types.
20:15 < nicka> That's what cgo is for but it's usually used to create a
wrapping package which is then used in your cmd
20:15 < nicka> afaik
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20:16 < itrekkie> ah thank you :) it's sometimes hard to find information
about package organization
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20:18 < itrekkie> as far as makefiles go, is it possible to wrap this all up
in one, or will it be something more like goinstall the package that invokes C and
then build the cmd?  any best practice ideas?
20:18 < str1ngs> easiest thing to do is use a dir for each.  with a Makefile
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20:19 < str1ngs> you can also write tests for the C pkg.  without even need
the command package
20:20 < str1ngs> after that its just a matter of importing the C pkg
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20:20 < str1ngs> even with pure go cmd's I use packages . seems to enforce
better design.  atleast for me.
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20:22 < itrekkie> do you ever have probelems distributing the cmd then?  I
mean, won't people then have a ton of other packages to "gomake install" before
they get to the one they want?
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20:27 < str1ngs> no done right you can still install with goinstall
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20:30 < nicka> How is it done right?  I've never had to distribute anything,
much less a command
20:30 < str1ngs> if you import the goinstall url . goinstall will find it
and install it
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20:34 < itrekkie> also, does anyone know of any working going on/planned in
gc for inlining?  I'd be interested in reading a bit on that
20:35 < nicka> There is no inlining at all atm
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20:40 < f2f> i thought there's work on inlining atm.  codereview 4849051 is
one example
20:42 < zozoR> is it possible to compile go without debug information?
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20:43 < itrekkie> interesting, thank you
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20:45 < niemeyer> zozoR: You can strip the binary
20:46 < zozoR> how?
20:46 < niemeyer> zozoR: strip binary
20:46 < zozoR> oh
20:46 < zozoR> :D
20:46 < niemeyer> zozoR: ;)
20:47 < str1ngs> he means get naked!
20:47 < zozoR> do you know how far the new garbage collector is on its way?
:
20:47 < zozoR> :D
20:47 < niemeyer> zozoR: Yeah, he's still at home right now..
20:48 < zozoR> D:
20:48 < str1ngs> seems we are on a roll..  :P
20:49 < zozoR> >.>
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20:53 < str1ngs> niemeyer: I think version.bash -save is a good solution.
atleast you can tarball and relocate if needed
20:54 < niemeyer> str1ngs: Right, exactly
20:54 < str1ngs> also should work with git mirrors
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20:54 < str1ngs> hmm actually no it wont.
20:54 < str1ngs> but thats not a big deal
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21:12 < chilts> morning all :)
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21:18 < sl> is it known whether or not anyone has successfully built a
recent go on debian sarge?
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21:19 < str1ngs> I would think it would work.  how old is sarge?
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21:20 < sl> not sure, but old.
21:21 < str1ngs> well aslong as its 2.6 kernel should be fine
21:21 < str1ngs> but built it and let us know :P
21:21 < sl> the build is complaining that it can't find a file which is
present: http://okturing.com/index.rc?id=104524
21:22 < sl> str1ngs: i'm using a debian sarge mroot inside cinap_lenrek's
linuxemu on plan 9.
21:22 < sl> we have a native go in 9front but a lot of libraries are missing
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21:23 < str1ngs> mmm
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21:24 < str1ngs> check farther up.  could be another error where cgocall.h
is not generated
21:25 < sl> cgocall.h is there, though.
21:25 < sl> "Try `uname --help' for more information." is printed numerous
times throughout the build, but it doesn't stop until this point.
21:27 < sl> --rw-r--r-- M 158 sl sl 358 Aug 5 14:26
mroot/usr/src/go/src/pkg/runtime/cgocall.h
21:27 < str1ngs> hmm wonder if uname flags are wrong
21:27 < str1ngs> uname --version
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21:28 < str1ngs> what does that output?
21:28 < sl> uname (coreutils) 5.2.1
21:28 < str1ngs> oh wow thats old
21:28 < str1ngs> I have 8.12
21:29 < sl> hehe
21:29 < str1ngs> grep uname -R $GOROOT
21:29 < sl> why on earth does the uname command have so many revisions
21:29 < str1ngs> check the flags its using is right
21:29 < str1ngs> if not maybe you'll have to hack it a bit to get the right
output
21:29 < qeed> it just ride along with coreutils
21:29 < sl> ah, my $GOROOT is not set at all.
21:29 < str1ngs> or possibly setting GOOS GOARCH will by pass it..  not sure
though
21:30 < sl> i'll try
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21:31 < str1ngs> sl: what OS is your host for this emulation.  sorry do not
know plan9 well
21:32 < sl> in this case plan 9 is running inside vmware on windows xp, but
the build dies in the same way on my native plan 9 machine.
21:32 < str1ngs> you dont need to set GOROOT the build will handle it
21:33 < sl> does the build avoid clobbering GOOS and GOARCH if they are
already set?
21:34 < str1ngs> yes I would think so
21:34 < str1ngs> since you can cross build that way
21:34 < str1ngs> which could bypass this uname issue
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21:35 < sl> still getting the uname errors
21:35 < sl> i'll see if i can figure out what flags it wants
21:36 < str1ngs> does it fail still
21:36 < sl> waiting for it to die, the build is very slow in this
environment.
21:36 < str1ngs> hmm this might not even be the issue but I have a feeling
it could be
21:36 < sl> as i recall when i tried to build plan9port there were problems
with uname there, as well.
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21:37 < sl> (not sure if rsc worked on the bash stuff in golang)
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21:38 < str1ngs> sl: check cgocall.h make sure it looks sane
21:39 < sl> the previous output was the license info followed by a comment
and then four lines of signatures
21:40 < str1ngs> also run make in pkg/runtime/cgo . and try to debug from
there
21:40 < sl> ok
21:40 < str1ngs> I had to do that on android.  helped alot
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22:04 < sl> str1ngs: is there some kind of symlink strangeness that perhaps
linuxemu isn't recognizing?  check this out:
http://okturing.com/index.rc?id=104583
22:05 < str1ngs> ya that seems odd
22:05 < str1ngs> are there some strange symlinks?
22:05 < sl> not sure.
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22:06 < str1ngs> stat /usr/src/go/src/pkg/runtime
22:06 < str1ngs> check permissions
22:07 < str1ngs> but I would think its fine
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22:08 < str1ngs> ls: ../cgocall.c: No such file or directory and why only
these files
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22:08 < str1ngs> sl: can you start with a fresh clone in your HOME dir
22:08 < str1ngs> see if you get the same result
22:10 < sl> ok
22:12 < str1ngs> also..  check disk space df -h
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23:30 < sl> str1ngs: fresh pull on a different machine (plan 9 on real
hardware, attempting to build go in linuxemu with a debian mroot).  at first the
build died the same way.  i copied cgocall.h to another location on the disk and
then copied it back.  now it gets past the original error and dies here:
http://okturing.com/index.rc?id=104699
23:31 < sl> this is the contents of cgocall.h:
http://okturing.com/index.rc?id=104706
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23:38 < str1ngs> sl: so probably not content related could be umask or
permissions
23:38 < str1ngs> before you copy what is the output of stat cgocall.h
23:41 < str1ngs> actually ya 2 seperate issues here
23:42 < str1ngs> need to find out what Error 137 means
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23:45 < sl> stat output: http://okturing.com/index.rc?id=104735
23:46 < str1ngs> hmm that seems fine
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23:46 < sl> it no longer complains about cgocall.h after i copied the file
out of the directory and then copied it back into the directory.
23:46 < str1ngs> so why cant you not ls ../cgocall.h
23:46 < str1ngs> ok so I assume you can ls ../cgocall.h now?
23:47 < sl> yes.
23:47 < str1ngs> but the second error is not related to cgocall.h
23:47 < str1ngs> I think is the mv
23:47 < str1ngs> call the cgo code directly see if it errors
23:47 < str1ngs> after that try that mv
23:48 < str1ngs> in cgo
23:48 < str1ngs> cgo -dynimport _cgo1_.o >_obj/_cgo_import.c_
23:48 < str1ngs> run that
23:48 < sl> ah, this is different.  i think i'm hitting a linuxemu problem.
23:48 < str1ngs> do you get an erro?
23:48 < sl> bash: [10: 1] tcsetattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device
23:48 < str1ngs> or its the mv that fails?  my guess its the mv
23:49 < str1ngs> ls /dev/
23:49 < sl> this same thing happens in linuxemu in general when i hit the
delete key --^
23:49 < str1ngs> also ls /proc/
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23:49 < str1ngs> do they exist?
23:49 < sl> there is stuff in /proc/
23:49 < sl> and dev
23:50 < str1ngs> ioctl is a syscall
23:50 < str1ngs> so yes could very well be linuxemu
23:50 < sl> http://okturing.com/index.rc?id=104742
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23:50 < sl> okay, that gives me somewhere to start at least.  i will pester
the linuxemu author.  :)
23:50 < sl> thanks for your help.
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23:51 < str1ngs> hmm echo "test" > foo
23:51 < str1ngs> does that fail also?
23:51 < sl> that works as normal
23:51 < sl> the file is created with the correct contents
23:51 < str1ngs> ok do this
23:51 < str1ngs> cgo -dynimport _cgo1_.o
23:51 < str1ngs> without the redirection
23:52 < str1ngs> you should see some output
23:52 < sl> bash: [10: 1] tcsetattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device
23:52 < str1ngs> stat _cgo1_.o
23:52 < sl> possibly something in the output linuxemu doesn't want to print?
23:53 < sl> stat output: http://okturing.com/index.rc?id=104748
23:54 < str1ngs> seems fine
23:54 < str1ngs> ls /dev/{null,stdout,stdin}
23:54 < sl> hm, i should try this from an xterm instead of a rio window.
23:54 < sl> str1ngs: all present
23:55 < str1ngs> and /dev/console
23:55 < str1ngs> and /tmp exists?
23:55 < sl> /tmp is present, /dev/console is not.
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23:56 < str1ngs> do you have expect installed?
23:56 < str1ngs> ie which expect
23:56 < sl> apparently not.
23:57 < str1ngs> ok try with xterm thats a good idea.  let me know how that
goes
23:57 < sl> will do!
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23:57 < sl> it may be a while before i come back this evening.  thanks for
your help.
23:57 < str1ngs> mknod -m 600 /dev/console c 5 1
23:57 < str1ngs> create console just to be safe also
23:57 < sl> whee: mknod: `/dev/console': Function not implemented
23:58 < str1ngs> but my guess is its a pts issue . if so then xterm might
fix that
23:58 < str1ngs> do you have strace installed?
23:58 < str1ngs> if so you can run strace cgo -dynimport _cgo1_.o
23:59 < str1ngs> will give you a better idea of what its try to write to and
failing
23:59 < sl> no strace, but i think i can follow it with acid.
23:59 < str1ngs> never heard of acid is it better?
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