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00:43 < herlahr> I'm trying to compile to "Initialization example" from
GoCourseDay1 (slide 62).  I created init.go, transcendental.go but not sure how to
compile these (init imports the package transcendental but the compiler says it
doesn't know where to find it).  Anyone know how to do this?
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00:57 < KirkMcDonald> You need to compile the package before it can be
imported.
01:05 < herlahr> i ran "8g transcendental.go" and it created transcendent.8.
it's all in the same directory.  I still get an error
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01:18 < dacresni> is there any way to download (or checkout) gccgo without
downloading the entire compiler tree?
01:19 < dacresni> svn checkout
svn://gcc.gnu.org/svn/gcc/branches/gccgo/libgo gccgo
01:19 < dacresni> ?
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03:21 < defectiv> how would i declare a variable to store a map like this
json hash?  { "foo": {"bar": 1}}
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03:28 < tav> defectiv: var foo map[string]map[string]int
03:29 < tav> ?
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03:44 < Ycros> defectiv: make a struct that holds the maps though, it'll be
easier to deal with nesting
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05:55 < defectiv> say you're doing some loop on a variable, i.  you multiply
it by, say, some floats.  should you still make it an int, and do conversion
however you need to as you use it, or just use a higher precision type for it, so
you don't have to keep converting it?
05:57 < ayo> doesn't really matter
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05:59 < defectiv> well doesn't the conversion expend needless processor
time?
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06:58 < defectiv> what's wrong with this line?  win_lose :=
map[string]map[string]int{"frontrunner": {"win": 0, "lose": 0}};
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07:52 < defectiv> oh had to do this => win_lose :=
map[string]map[string]int{"frontrunner": map[string]int{"win": 0, "lose": 0}, "n
onfrontrunner": map[string]int{"win": 0, "lose": 0}};
08:05 < slashus2> defectiv: Seems like there could be potential for type
inference with that.
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08:19 < exitstate> with the os.Chown, theres no resursive bit?
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09:14 < MaJeSTe> S.a
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09:15 < tar_> S.a()
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09:29 < keet> I'm giving go a first try..  whats a scanf equivalent in go?
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09:43 < MaJeSTe> a.s tar_ :D
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19:19 < defectiv> type inference?  i didn't know go had that.
19:20 < defectiv> if anyone knows how to shorten this, let me know =>
win_lose := map[string]map[string]int{"frontrunner": map[string]int{"win": 0,
"lose": 0}, "n onfrontrunner": map[string]int{"win": 0, "lose": 0}};
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19:20 < exDM69> no, go does not have type inference
19:20 < exDM69> at least hindley-milner type inference
19:20 < exDM69> but it has limited support for guessing types, in particular
when initializing variables
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19:20 < exDM69> and when using interfaces
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19:35 < JPascal> Hello all!  )
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19:59 < difekta> word
19:59 < difekta> happy solstice thingie
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22:01 < youngbull> Hey, I'm having some problem with type casting..  It's
kinda hard to explain what's happening and it's kinda big, but I do have an exampe
on this paste: http://gopaste.org/view/2xUP0
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22:04 < Kashia> well...  you return a new apple from .Eat()
22:05 < Kashia> hmm..
22:05 < Kashia> nevermind
22:06 < youngbull> I guess I could of made it a bit simpler to read...  I'm
sorry about that
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22:07 < anticw> youngbull: why do you think it should be false?
22:07 < youngbull> no, It should be true
22:08 < youngbull> right?
22:12 < youngbull> just updated it, and yes, still not working
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22:13 < anticw> youngbull: func (fc *FoodContainer) Eat() { fc.Contained =
fc.Contained.Eat() }
22:13 < anticw> fc *...
22:13 < anticw> try that
22:15 < youngbull> that did it...  why didn't it work the way I did it?
22:15 < anticw> Eat wasn't changing theFood
22:15 < ShadowIce> structs will be copied if you don't use pointers
22:15 < youngbull> ahhh...  ok
22:16 < anticw> it's fairly common to make this mistake, along with
shadowing return values it's something i think a warning might be suitable for
22:16 < youngbull> thanks a lo anticw and shadowice
22:16 < anticw> $5 please
22:16 < ShadowIce> *g*
22:16 < youngbull> ##gives $5
22:16 < youngbull> and cupcakes for everyone
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22:16 < ShadowIce> anticw: what's a shadowing return value?
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22:18 < anticw> func (a *t) (err int) { err := blah() ...  ; return }
22:19 < skypce> hi
22:19 < ShadowIce> ah, have yet to do that ;)
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22:19 < skypce> does have some ide for go?
22:19 < anticw> ShadowIce: i've seen it done a few times, so i think there
is some value in a warning
22:20 < ShadowIce> yeah, that would be good
22:20 < anticw> teacking gc about these seems hard, maybe something using
go/parser would be best, it's low on my list right now though
22:21 < anticw> bleh, s/teacking/teaching/
22:22 < defectiv> what's up with this nonsense?  cannot define new methods
on non-local type int
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22:24 < ShadowIce> isn't it just a check if the variable name already
exists?
22:26 < anticw> defectiv: what it says, why not do something like "type Bar
int" and define the methods on that?
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22:32 < ShadowIce> skypce: there's syntax highlighting for several editors
if you are looking for that (more here: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/text-editors/)
22:32 < Gracenotes> defectiv: to define methods (as opposed to just plain
functions), the datatype has to be in the same package
22:32 < skypce> thank you shadowice
22:33 < skypce> it is compiled?
22:33 < ShadowIce> compiled?
22:34 < skypce> it dont use framework like java to work?
22:34 < defectiv> i did.
22:34 < defectiv> i see the point.  it means your package won't affect
others.
22:35 < defectiv> just seems like a strange restriction.
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22:36 < defectiv> i don't know that i like that.
22:36 < defectiv> for instance, look at how cache-money works in rails.  it
redifines ORM methods to make them use memcache transparently.
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22:37 < ShadowIce> skypce: Go programs are compiled to machine code if you
mean that
22:37 < defectiv> don't think you could do that with Go.
22:37 < defectiv> also it doesn't appear that Go has iterator methods like
some_int.each()
22:37 < defectiv> so i have to make my own.  meh.
22:37 < defectiv> how's this for an error?  <epoch>: fatal error:
dowidth: unknown type: ideal
22:38 < skypce> thank you shadowice
22:44 < defectiv> how can i see what methods are available for the different
types?
22:46 < defectiv> i don't understand syntax like "p *int"
22:46 < defectiv> if *p is an int, then "*p int" is equivalent to "p &int"
22:47 < Kashia> p is a pointer to an int
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22:48 < Kashia> I mean, the rules are way easier than in C :)
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22:59 < youngbull> A lot of things are easier than in C, however there are
still a lot of pain points for me...  Like the exporting rules, lack of generics
and some small stuff that I find contra intuitive, but I think it has a lot of
niceness too...
23:01 < Kashia> the only real pain for me is the lack of proper C calling.
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23:08 < youngbull> Kashia: I guess it's on it's way...
23:09 < ShadowIce> what's missing there?
23:09 < Kashia> that would be quite nice.  I'm not sure on how the
integration should work however.
23:10 < Kashia> missing?  you mean the cgo cruft?  :)
23:10 < youngbull> however don't you guys also think that having to pull out
search-replace just to export something from a package is a bit tedious?  then
ofcourse writing public/private all the time is kinda tedious too...
23:10 < youngbull> I like how haskell exports from packages though
23:10 < youngbull> it's the best imo
23:10 < ShadowIce> Kashia: I didn't look at it yet....is it that bad?
23:11 * Kashia shrugs.  gofmt does that search-replace for you if you want.  but
you're right that it might be tedious.  better think before coding ;)
23:12 < Kashia> ShadowIce, I don't like it, it's a weird system built around
a code generator
23:12 < Kashia> and you have to wrap each C function with another C function
23:12 < Kashia> I mean, I totally get why it's done like that
23:13 < ShadowIce> hm, that doesn't sound too good :/
23:13 < Kashia> well, it is..  "safe" :)
23:13 < youngbull> Kashia how do you do the public/private stuff in gofmt?
23:14 < Kashia> gofmt has functions for string replacement
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23:14 < youngbull> soooo....  basicly search-replace then?
23:14 < youngbull> or more intelligent?
23:15 < Kashia> well, if you properly named your methods/functions it isn't
a problem (except for comments)
23:15 < youngbull> you know I might have a function Eat, and an interface
Eater, and want to hide Eat but not hide Eater...
23:16 < Kashia> /Eat\(/eat(/
23:16 < youngbull> true...
23:16 < youngbull> but I shouldn't have to worry about that imo
23:16 < Kashia> that's only a guess however, I never used it
23:17 < Kashia> maybe it is clever and works on symbols
23:17 < JBeshir> youngbull: Given the interface is defined as "can call Eat
on it"
23:17 < JBeshir> youngbull: That wouldn't make *sense*.
23:17 < JBeshir> You can't call a function without knowing it exists,
conceptually or otherwise.
23:18 < Kashia> I think it was only an example
23:18 < Kashia> the point was the similarity of the method names
23:18 < Kashia> and the exporting of one or the other
23:18 < Kashia> (as an afterthought)
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23:18 < youngbull> well I could have had like (p *poison)don'tEatme{..}
Eater interface{...}
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23:19 < youngbull> he he he, just another argument for using CamelCase I
guess...  (:D)
23:22 < youngbull> if there is one thing that I really would like to see in
go it's exporting ala Haskell with package fruit(ImbeeingExported,
ImbeeingexportedToo)
23:23 < Kashia> I'm not sure if that's only an academic point
23:23 < Kashia> I haven't written a big system with go yet.  so I'm not sure
on how often that happens
23:24 < Kashia> you plan a software, define boundaries
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23:26 < youngbull> It sure does happen too me a lot.  I guess I haven't
gotten to think ahead with that yet as I'm used to just slapping on private on the
fields I want to hide, and I can perfect that in the end...
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