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01:28 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bkQsP by [Russ Cox] in 12 subdirs of go/ --
runtime: turn divide by zero, nil dereference into panics
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04:15 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bkZSZ by [Russ Cox] in 4 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/runtime/ -- runtime: fix build (panic) for FreeBSD
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04:32 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bl0Nj by [Alex Brainman] in go/src/pkg/os/ --
fix bug in os_test.go checkMode
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14:35 < exch> being a bit of a threading noob, I am trying to make sure that
asynchronous operations on a tcp stream are handled properly.  (In sequence
instead of all simultaneously..  which is bad).  Right now i've equiped the
routines doing the actual stream operations with a simple mutex lock/unlock
operation
14:36 < exch> It seems to work, but somehow I get the feeling this is too
easy
14:36 < exch> anyone have experience with this and can tell me if this will
be sufficient?
14:37 < JBeshir> That's good, but it's more common to have a single
goroutine handle a single connection, for most purposes.
14:37 < exch> it's a persistent connection
14:37 < JBeshir> Yeah, a single persistent goroutine.
14:37 < JBeshir> I think.
14:38 < exch> ah yea.  I get your point.  What I'm doing here is
send/receive data from the stream from any number of independant goroutines
14:38 < Xilon> Networking seems way too easy in Go :P
14:38 < exch> regardless of where the stream itself is actually being run
14:38 <+iant> exch: could you have all the inputs feed into a single
channel?
14:38 < exch> It is working nicely now it seems All results are as expected
14:39 < exch> iant: i'll have to see if I can tailor it to do that.  That
would probably be a safer approach
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14:40 < Xilon> I'm playing around using IRC.  Go's channels map really
nicely into the client-server model.  I just have a channel of IRC messages (a
struct) that I sent/recieve to/from, and another goroutine that reads/writes it
from/to the TCP sockets.
14:41 < Xilon> It abstracts it really nicely.
14:41 < kmeyer> Xilon: make it public :)
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14:41 < kmeyer> I'm looking for a go irc library
14:42 < kmeyer> :)
14:42 < Xilon> I'm not really making an IRC library, but I might release it
separately.
14:42 < Xilon> I've seen two IRC libraries on github already, but they're
event based and make some assumptions so can't use that.
14:42 < kmeyer> Ah
14:45 < Xilon> It's nice to just do: server <- &irc.Message{Command:
"QUIT"}
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14:46 < exch> my calculon irc bot does something similar.  input and output
channels exposed by the connection class can be used for communication.
individual goroutines just read from/write to those channels whenever appropriate
14:47 < Xilon> Yep, it'll probably become a design pattern in Go for
client-server things like this
14:47 < Xilon> Might not be as easy for some more complicated things though
14:48 < exch> it's not really applicable for my current thingy though.  On
IRC there is not really a need to pair incoming and outgoing data.  My current
thingy does not require constant polling either.  it's just 'send request, receive
response, done."
14:48 < exch> but it does keep the connection open
14:49 < exch> bit like a webserver with a persistent connection I suppose
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15:22 < Xilon> Looks like I need to write a fairly low level IRC lib anyway,
so it'll probably come out soon :P
15:22 < Xilon> Yet another one, heh
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15:28 < exch> can never have enough of those :p
15:29 < kmeyer> :)
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15:35 < Xilon> I wish Go came standard with a REPL though, that would
probably put Go in my top 3 languages :P
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15:37 < smw> Xilon: that would be nice.  But I guess it is easier for
interpreted languages
15:37 < JBeshir> REPL?
15:37 < smw> JBeshir: think of the python shell
15:37 < JBeshir> Ah.
15:37 < exch> parsing the input is easy enough with the AST package..  we
just lack an interpreter
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15:37 < Xilon> Well there is a REPL project on github, but I haven't tried
it yet: http://github.com/qrush/go-repl
15:38 < Xilon> It probably doesn't let you redefine functions and such,
which kinda makes it pointless.
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16:13 < kmeyer> Xilon: it's pretty broken
16:13 < kmeyer> or at least, last time I tried
16:13 < kmeyer> (hadn't been updated past some addition of a language
feature)
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17:30 < exch> Any ideas on how I can make my program switch itself to a
different user when started?
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17:34 < exch> actually, this isn't needed.  nvm
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18:38 < plexdev> http://is.gd/blWKL by [Rob Pike] in 6 subdirs of go/src/ --
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20:25 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bm4dC by [Rob Pike] in go/doc/devel/ -- Update
roadmap: delete many accomplishments
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20:41 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bm5iW by [Ian Lance Taylor] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/ -- Support cgo export on amd64.
20:41 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bm5j0 by [Ian Lance Taylor] in 3 subdirs of
go/src/ -- Library support for cgo export.
20:41 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bm5js by [Ian Lance Taylor] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/ -- Add //export to cgo.
20:41 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bm5jP by [Ian Lance Taylor] in
go/misc/cgo/life/ -- A test case for cgo //export.
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20:49 < logand> hi, looking at doc/progs/cat.go example, i wonder why is it
using os io instead of channels.  any experts here to clarify?
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20:56 <+iant> logand: channels communicate between goroutines; if you want
to write to a file, or to stdout, you need to use the os package
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21:05 < logand> iant: i see, thanks!  isn't that kind of too lowlevel having
to code own file abstraction as in the example?  well, i suppose i should create a
goroutine that would use syscall to read stdin and feed the characters to a
channel.  is this the go way?
21:06 <+iant> if you are working files, I don't see anything wrong with
working with os.File
21:06 <+iant> I agree that if you want to work with either channels or
files, then it's appropriate to have a little goroutine which reads the file and
sends the data on the channel
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21:09 < logand> but then my stdin will be blocking (or polling) to keep the
goroutines alive?
21:11 < exch> for as long as they need to be.  Which is either until an EOF
is reached or the channel is closed
21:11 <+iant> there will be one goroutine blocked reading stdin, yes, but
that won't affect the other goroutines
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21:12 < dho_plan9> assuming you've set gomaxprocs
21:12 < logand> interesting, i thought that syscalls block the whole process
21:13 < dho_plan9> or you're using gccgo
21:15 < andreer> Does Go have exceptions?
21:15 < kmeyer> iant: until you hit the max number of system threads ;)
21:15 <+iant> blocking on stdin doesn't require setting gomaxprocs, that
just works
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21:16 <+iant> yeah, OK, maximum number of threads...
21:16 < dho_plan9> i've been out of the loop for too long.
21:16 <+iant> andreer: Go has something that are sort of like exceptions
21:16 <+iant> dho_plan9: good to see you here again in any case
21:16 < dho_plan9> thanks
21:16 < dho_plan9> life's been crazy in a bad way.  really hoping that i'll
be able to pull shit together and start working on go more soon
21:17 < dho_plan9> though a lot of the cgo stuff I was going to do seems to
have been taken care of heh.
21:17 <+iant> the magic of open source
21:17 < dho_plan9> :)
21:17 < dho_plan9> indeed.
21:21 < logand> iant: i'm using 6g.  as i understand it, i create one
goroutine to read characters (using blocking syscall) which feeds a channel.
other goroutines will keep running because this blocking goroutine runs in a
different os thread?  i think if there was only one process & thread, the whole
system would block until there is a new character on stdin
21:21 <+iant> everything you say is correct
21:21 <+iant> you can safely conclude that there is more than one thread
21:23 < logand> so each goroutine runs in own os thread?
21:23 < dho_plan9> no
21:23 < JBeshir> No.
21:23 <+iant> no, goroutines are multiplexed onto OS threads
21:23 < JBeshir> But blocking calls will be moved off in such a fashion that
they do not block the whole program.
21:23 < logand> so how does the scheduler know whether to use new thread or
not?
21:23 < logand> JBeshir: aha
21:24 < dho_plan9> goroutines have state, and if there are available threads
and a goroutine is runnable, it is moved to a different one
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21:24 < logand> i see, thread pool
21:25 < logand> i thought i read somewhere that there was only one process,
but i might be wrong
21:25 < logand> well i mean thread
21:26 < dho_plan9> by default, there is one.
21:26 < dho_plan9> you can set more with runtime.GOMAXPROCS or an env.  var.
GOMAXPROCS
21:26 < dho_plan9> gccgo works differently
21:26 < dho_plan9> in gccgo a goroutine is a thread
21:26 < dho_plan9> iant: BTW, have there been any gccgo changes that would
make it more likely to compile on FreeBSD?
21:26 < logand> dho_plan9: thanks, that makes it clearer
21:27 <+iant> dho_plan9: no
21:27 < dho_plan9> ok
21:27 <+iant> not that I remember what the problems were offhand
21:27 <+iant> I have to get through SWIG and then I will get back to gccgo
again
21:28 < dho_plan9> opaque types not working with plan 9 style polymorphism
21:28 <+iant> oh yeah
21:28 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bm8Ed by [Ian Lance Taylor] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/runtime/ -- Run initcgo for all amd64 targets, not just GNU/Linux.
21:28 <+iant> some folks are working on an RTEMS port which I think will fix
those issues
21:28 <+iant> but it's not in yet
21:28 < dho_plan9> ok
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21:41 < logand> one more question: what does this compilation error mean
(implicit assignment of Num field 'sign' in method receiver) in: type Any
interface {any()}; type Num bignum.Integer; func (Num) any() {};
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21:42 < KirkMcDonald> logand: bignum.Integer contains non-public fields and
may not be passed by value.
21:43 < JBeshir> I wish there was a way for a type to say "It's okay to
clone me."
21:43 < JBeshir> I suspect a lot of types would use it and it'd make things
like that less...  weird.
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21:44 < JBeshir> Let you keep them on the stack, too.
21:44 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bm9IE by [Charles L. Dorian] in
go/src/pkg/cmath/ -- cmath: use ** for exponentiation in comments
21:44 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bm9IU by [Charles L. Dorian] in
go/src/pkg/math/ -- math: use ** for exponentiation in comments
21:44 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bm9JG by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/os/ --
freebsd: fix build, maybe
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21:49 < logand> KirkMcDonald: aha.  if i change it to type Any interface
{any()}; type Num *bignum.Integer; func (Num) any() {}; it still doesn't work, it
gives me "invalid receiver type Num".  what does that mean?
21:58 <+iant> You can't declare methods on a pointer type
22:00 < logand> i see ;-)
22:01 < logand> so it means the only way to define Num is as struct with
bignum field?
22:02 <+iant> You want a pointer to a bignum and you want to define your own
methods on it?
22:02 <+iant> If that is what you want, then, yes, you will need a struct
with a single field of type *bignum.Integer or whatever
22:03 <+iant> I'm not sure why you want to do that, though
22:03 < logand> well i would like Num be bignum and define own methods on it
22:04 <+iant> Yeah, I think a struct is going to be the way to go
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22:09 < logand> iant: thanks!
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22:46 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bmdPV by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/src/ --
runtime: delete malx, skip_depth argument to malloc
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23:05 < exch> hmm.  This doesn't seem to work :(
http://go.pastebin.com/MXBy0ZbB
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23:09 <+iant> exch: you can only use := within a function; outside of a
function, all declarations start with a keyword
23:09 < exch> I should have prolly made a complete example :) I was
referring to using 2 struct initializer values
23:10 < exch> but it's not accepting the 2 ints from the func as separate
struct init values
23:10 <+iant> Oh, I see; yeah, that doesn't work
23:10 < exch> 'multi-value Myfunc)_ in single-value context
23:10 < exch> or something along those lines
23:11 <+iant> you could have your function return a struct, though
23:11 < exch> true, but that doesn't work in the situation i'm using it in.
I'll stick to filling the fields manually :)
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