--- Log opened Fri Dec 10 00:00:36 2010 --- Day changed Fri Dec 10 2010 00:00 < exch> Except for the memory management, which can also be an important consideration in some situations. But that's the tradeoff one makes for having a GC I suppose 00:01 < exch> I for one am glad it's there 00:01 < rmmh> argh 00:01 < foocraft> does GC run on a separate thread? 00:01 < rmmh> sorry for the accidental golang-dev spam 00:01 < exch> foocraft: I have no idea how and where it runs 00:01 < foocraft> http://news.ncsu.edu/releases/wmssolihinthreads/ 00:05 < exch> That sounds like the very definition of how goroutines communicate with eachother through channels 00:06 < rmmh> not really 00:06 < rmmh> it sounds like just a multithreaded GC 00:17 -!- nighty__ [~nighty@210.188.173.245] has joined #go-nuts 00:19 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-168.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:20 -!- tdc [~santegoed@212.183.128.67] has joined #go-nuts 00:26 -!- tav [~tav@92.7.142.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:28 -!- Scorchin [~Scorchin@host86-147-115-164.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Scorchin] 00:33 < Zerelda> at least nedmalloc is even released http://www.nedprod.com/programs/portable/nedmalloc/ unlike that other allocator 00:35 -!- tav [~tav@92.7.86.44] has joined #go-nuts 00:37 -!- tdc [~santegoed@212.183.128.67] has quit [Quit: tdc] 00:44 -!- virtualsue [~chatzilla@nat/cisco/x-khsqklangkoeckot] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:46 -!- xash_ [~xash@d003180.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:49 -!- tdc [~santegoed@212.183.128.67] has joined #go-nuts 00:55 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:00 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #go-nuts 01:01 -!- tsykoduk [~tsykoduk@174-31-220-250.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:02 -!- tdc [~santegoed@212.183.128.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:15 -!- tsykoduk [~tsykoduk@174-31-220-250.tukw.qwest.net] has left #go-nuts [] 01:15 -!- falconindy [~noclaf@unaffiliated/falconindy] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:18 -!- falconindy [~noclaf@unaffiliated/falconindy] has joined #go-nuts 01:20 -!- Stiletto [7f000001@69.195.144.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:21 -!- foocraft [~dsc@89.211.184.236] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:23 -!- cco3 [~conley@c-69-181-138-209.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:24 -!- artefon [~thiago@187.114.48.78] has joined #go-nuts 01:29 < plexdev> http://is.gd/it494 by [Nigel Tao] in go/src/pkg/html/ -- html: parse <table><tr><td> tags. 01:38 -!- kanru [~kanru@61-30-10-70.static.tfn.net.tw] has joined #go-nuts 01:43 -!- ExtraSpice [~XtraSpice@88.118.33.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:45 -!- captn [~root@pD9FE2921.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #go-nuts [] 01:55 -!- BlaSux [7f000001@69.195.144.4] has joined #go-nuts 01:55 -!- TheSaint [~thesaint@166.205.9.133] has joined #go-nuts 02:03 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@189.73.142.213] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:04 -!- rejb [~rejb@unaffiliated/rejb] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:12 -!- TheSaint [~thesaint@166.205.9.133] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 02:12 < uriel> 23:48 < dho_> academia also produces cutting edge research 02:12 < uriel> more like cutting edge bloated piles of stinking garbage 02:13 < uriel> er, sorry, got carried away once more, /me goes back to ramble in #cat-v ;P 02:21 < Tv> cutting edge proofs of concept.. 02:21 < Tv> very different from "here, use this" 02:33 -!- l00t [~i-i3id3r_@187.127.178.58] has joined #go-nuts 02:43 -!- krutcha1 [~krutcha@S010600045a27676a.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:46 -!- noktoborus_ [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/noktoborus] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:47 -!- jhawk28 [~jhawk28@user-387c58d.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:56 -!- boscop [~boscop@f055255024.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:58 -!- wm4 [~lu-PYTHON@p5080C56A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:58 -!- wm4 [~lu-PYTHON@p5080C56A.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #go-nuts ["Leaving"] 03:04 -!- boscop [~boscop@f055199057.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 03:08 -!- sl [~sl@68-179-130-17.bsr-c9-d1.evv.dhcp.sigecom.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:10 -!- artefon [~thiago@187.114.48.78] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:10 -!- sl [~sl@68-179-130-17.bsr-c9-d1.evv.dhcp.sigecom.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:18 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-168.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 03:22 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 03:27 -!- noktoborus_ [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/noktoborus] has joined #go-nuts 03:39 < exch> So much for java (what was left of it): https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_asf_resigns_from_the 03:39 < exch> Go needs to move in and win some of the lost souls :) 03:45 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-168.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:48 -!- kingfishr [~kingfishr@c-24-130-147-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:50 -!- kingfishr [~kingfishr@c-24-130-147-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:57 -!- rhencke [~rhencke@ppp-70-247-243-221.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:57 -!- tav [~tav@92.7.86.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:00 -!- tav [~tav@92.7.92.103] has joined #go-nuts 04:02 < KirkMcDonald> Go's package namespaces don't have nearly enough levels in them to compete with Java! 04:02 < skelterjohn> lol 04:02 < rhencke> needs more cowbell? 04:03 < |Craig|> I have a bunch of Java code to write for classes this weekend. I wish they would stop using it at a teaching language 04:05 -!- Eridius [~kevin@unaffiliated/eridius] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:05 < skelterjohn> considering how widely used it is in some industries, it is appropriate to use for teaching 04:05 < skelterjohn> it all depends on what you're trying to give your students 04:06 < skelterjohn> if you want to make them really good coders, java is probably not the right option 04:06 < skelterjohn> if you want to turn them into cogs in a wheel, java is ok 04:06 < rhencke> if you want to make them art majors, use brainf*** 04:07 < Zerelda> http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64q/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=gpp&lang2=java 04:07 < |Craig|> Lets see, all intro programming classes: Java, software design and implementation class: java. Basically any class not about specific languages at my college (And the University of Washington ain't no little school) seems to be in java. 04:07 < cbeck> Grad or undergrad? 04:08 < |Craig|> undergrad currently, I can't say anything about the grad level stuff 04:09 < cbeck> Is *nix used there much? or does redmond's proximity drive that to the edges? 04:09 < cbeck> (UDub is on my shortlist for gradschool) 04:09 < |Craig|> So far I havent made a distributable in any of my programming classes. Not even a jar file. Seems odd to me 04:09 < |Craig|> cbeck: the CS labs are mixed fedora installs and windows 7 04:11 < rmmh> UIllinois uses C++ in most classes 04:11 < |Craig|> I mostly see people coding java in eclipse though, and they don't care which os they use 04:11 < rmmh> my favorite are OS Classes in Java 04:11 < cbeck> Heh 04:12 < cbeck> Better than the OS class I just finished, was in a BASIC-like dsl created for the class 04:12 < uriel> cbeck: I bet that DSL was 'cutting edge'! 04:12 < cbeck> No. Very much no. 04:12 < uriel> isn't academia great? 04:13 < cbeck> Did you see that video on reddit of the PSU prof's Relay Computer? 04:13 < cbeck> He wrote this language 04:13 < uriel> cbeck: 'scare quotes' were not enough to indicate sarcasm? ;P 04:13 < |Craig|> At least there is an optional programming languages class. Standard ML, Scheme and Java Script wouldn't have been my choice for languages to cover, but its not too bad. We wrote an (incomplete) basic interpreter in scheme. 04:13 < cbeck> There's a reason he's a hardware hacker and not a lang designer 04:14 < uriel> cbeck: so what is he doing desiging custom languages to use on an OS class? 04:14 * uriel stops trying to make sense of the world 04:15 < rmmh> if I were implementing a language on custom hardware I'd probably do Forth 04:15 < rhencke> forth is fun 04:15 < rhencke> as is its close cousin postscript 04:15 < |Craig|> uriel: you were trying to make sense of the world? I just sit back and laugh at it. 04:15 < rhencke> postscript is like forth and logo had a baby 04:16 < uriel> |Craig|: you are much wiser than me :( 04:18 < cbeck> On the plus side, my software engineering prof let me do my project in Go, so it comes out in the wash 04:23 < exch> So i'm not the only ones who gets this eery postscript vibe when he's reading Forth? 04:25 -!- jhawk28 [~jhawk28@user-387c58d.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #go-nuts 04:26 -!- jhawk28 [~jhawk28@user-387c58d.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:27 < rmmh> forth and postscript are the two most well-known concatenative languages 04:28 < exch> I love em 04:28 < exch> There's something perversely satisfying in having to keep track of the stack contents in your brain when you're writing stuff in it 04:29 -!- res99 [~anonymous@201.237.130.70] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:29 -!- devrim [~Adium@cpe-72-225-239-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:29 -!- Tv [~tv@cpe-76-168-227-45.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:30 < rmmh> I love how trivial they are to write a JIT for 04:30 < exch> ya 04:32 -!- devrim [~Adium@cpe-72-225-239-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 04:36 < TheSeeker> huh, no scramble to get bug # 1337 for go? 04:36 < rhencke> TheSeeker: i was thinking that, too. 04:40 -!- piyushmishra [~piyushmis@117.200.226.191] has joined #go-nuts 04:45 -!- Chopinn [~Chopin@ti0018a380-dhcp1590.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:46 -!- DarthShrine_ [~angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has joined #go-nuts 04:46 -!- DarthShrine [~angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:59 -!- BlaSux [7f000001@69.195.144.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:01 -!- keithcascio [~keithcasc@nat/google/x-vfdhnnglismyyjmd] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:02 -!- zozoR [~zozoR@56344bf6.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #go-nuts 05:03 -!- mbohun [~user@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:04 -!- BlaSux [7f000001@69.195.144.4] has joined #go-nuts 05:25 -!- devrim [~Adium@cpe-72-225-239-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:26 -!- rhencke [~rhencke@ppp-70-247-243-221.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: rhencke] 05:27 -!- devrim [~Adium@cpe-72-225-239-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 05:33 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-168.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 05:40 -!- krutcha1 [~krutcha@S010600045a27676a.vs.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:47 -!- fabled [~fabled@mail.fi.jw.org] has joined #go-nuts 05:47 -!- MaksimBurnin [~max@44.188-224-87.telenet.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:48 -!- krutcha1 [~krutcha@S010600045a27676a.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:50 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: cde, fluffle, vegai, bartbes, krutcha1, tokuhiro__, pjm0616 05:51 -!- piyushmishra [~piyushmis@117.200.226.191] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:52 -!- Kashia [~Kashia@port-92-200-108-107.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:53 -!- Netsplit over, joins: krutcha1 05:54 -!- piyushmishra [~piyushmis@117.200.225.47] has joined #go-nuts 05:54 -!- Netsplit over, joins: pjm0616, fluffle, vegai, cde, tokuhiro__, bartbes 05:58 -!- kanru [~kanru@61-30-10-70.static.tfn.net.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:07 -!- zozoR [~zozoR@56344bf6.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Morten. 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says !quote blah\nblah 08:08 < vermi> well that \n is a string, not a newline byte 08:08 < vermi> so i just couldn't figure out how to handle the replace 08:08 < vermi> so thanks for the tip D: 08:08 < vermi> :D 08:10 < krutcha1> no prob 08:10 < vermi> now it's time to sleep 08:10 < vermi> i spend too much time on this crap, when i should be sleeping 08:10 < vermi> pisses the girlfriend off to no end 08:10 < krutcha1> another source of no sleep! 08:11 -!- vermi [959f7527@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.159.117.39] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:18 -!- krutcha1 [~krutcha@S010600045a27676a.vs.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:21 -!- Kashia [~Kashia@port-92-200-36-143.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts 08:25 -!- kashia_ [~Kashia@port-92-200-102-179.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts 08:26 -!- Kashia [~Kashia@port-92-200-36-143.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:29 -!- |Craig| [~|Craig|@panda3d/entropy] has quit [Quit: |Craig|] 08:57 -!- devrim 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h0ney: 당신이 부탁하고 싶은 질문이 있어요? 15:01 -!- kanru [~kanru@61-228-158-122.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:01 < wrtp> isn't unicode great 15:01 -!- tensorpudding [~user@99.148.202.191] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01 < h0ney> wrtp 한국분은 아니시죠? ㅋㅋ 15:02 < wrtp> xyproto: hmm, translate.google.com has its limitations :-) 15:03 < skelterjohn> 부하분 죠있 요고당니! 15:04 < wrtp> Buhabun jyoit yogodangni! nice. 15:04 < exch> that certainly clears things up 15:04 < xyproto> ;) 15:04 < skelterjohn> i copied random characters from the messages already posted 15:05 < wrtp> h0ney: 죄송합니다, 우리는 한국 말로하지 않습니다. 15:07 < h0ney> wrtp //Yes , Thx :) 15:07 -!- qutron_xyxy [~xxx@port-4-adslby-pool42.infonet.by] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:09 -!- noam [noam@77.124.236.67] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09 -!- noam [noam@77.124.236.67] has joined #go-nuts 15:21 -!- noam [noam@77.124.236.67] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:21 -!- noam 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simple. It doesn't seem to allow any sort of configuration beyond just displaying it and modifying the screen content (image) 16:20 < skelterjohn> i see 16:21 < exch> the go xcb implementation is probably a better bet if you need more control, but as i'm currently finding out, it's a lot more complicated 16:21 < exch> http://code.google.com/p/x-go-binding/ 16:21 < nsf> xgb and xcb isn't very usable 16:21 < skelterjohn> i'm just doing some experimentation visualization for debugging stuff, so i can probably just not resize the window 16:21 < skelterjohn> thanks 16:21 < nsf> skelterjohn: tried using gtk? 16:22 < skelterjohn> i don't like gtk 16:22 < nsf> well, I can't help you then 16:22 < skelterjohn> :'( 16:22 < nsf> drawing directly using x11 is a very bad idea 16:23 < skelterjohn> i imagine it depends on what you want to draw 16:23 < nsf> not really 16:23 < skelterjohn> i literally want to color individual pixels on the screen 16:23 < skelterjohn> and it is very clear how to do that with exp/draw 16:23 < nsf> opengl and sdl will be better for this 16:23 < skelterjohn> define "better" 16:23 < nsf> performance-wise 16:23 < skelterjohn> i don't need performance 16:23 < nsf> ok 16:24 < skelterjohn> i just need ease of coding 16:24 < exch> they also add a ton of extra dependencies which you dont have to worry about with the go implementations of x11/xcb 16:24 < skelterjohn> when possible, i prefer to do everything with pure go 16:24 < nsf> exch: have you written at least one app using xcb or xgb? 16:24 < skelterjohn> i don't like language interfacing 16:25 < exch> nsf: Nope, but that's not a reason to not do it. I'm well aware it's painful (currently writing one), but I have no intention of giving up that easily 16:25 -!- noff [~noff@pub1.heig-vd.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:26 < exch> Besides, the actual drawing will not be done using direct X calls. I just need access to the image buffer and have some rudimentary control over the window size/position and style 16:26 < nsf> I know that because I've written two panels for X11 and there was a time when I was deciding: xcb vs. xlib.. choice was obvious.. 16:26 -!- ShadowIce [~pyoro@HSI-KBW-109-193-120-162.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #go-nuts 16:26 -!- ShadowIce [~pyoro@HSI-KBW-109-193-120-162.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Changing host] 16:26 -!- ShadowIce [~pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044] has joined #go-nuts 16:26 < nsf> even though xlib kind of sucks 16:27 < nsf> exch: hehe, that's where fun starts 16:27 < nsf> X doesn't have image buffers :) 16:27 < nsf> it has few extensions to work with them 16:27 < nsf> ximage, xrender 16:28 < wrtp> skelterjohn: exp/x11 is still pretty rudimentary. i hope that nigel tao will get back onto it sometime. 16:28 < nsf> xshm 16:28 < nsf> also 16:33 < skelterjohn> fun quote from the X11 wiki: "X derives its name as a successor to a pre-1983 window system called W (the letter preceding X in the English alphabet). W ran under the V operating system." 16:35 -!- GoBIR [~gobir@res-128-61-89-71.res.gatech.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:35 < nsf> it's more like sad quote 16:35 < skelterjohn> oh, you! 16:38 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-151-189.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #go-nuts 16:38 -!- GoBIR [~gobir@res-128-61-89-71.res.gatech.edu] has joined #go-nuts 16:39 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@82.84.95.59] has joined #go-nuts 16:42 -!- noam [noam@77.124.236.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:43 -!- SRabbelier [~SRabbelie@188.142.63.148] has joined #go-nuts 16:43 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-151-189.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:48 -!- noam [noam@77.124.236.67] has joined #go-nuts 16:55 < cde> nsf :) 16:57 -!- ct529 [~quassel@77-44-78-159.xdsl.murphx.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:58 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-197-196-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts 17:03 -!- Fish [~Fish@coss6.exosec.net] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 17:05 -!- alkavan [~alkavan@87.68.159.158] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05 -!- alkavan [~alkavan@87.68.159.158] has joined #go-nuts 17:14 -!- cco3 [~conley@c-69-181-138-209.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:18 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-197-196-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21 -!- nigelkerr [~nigelkerr@jstormichfw.jstor.org] has quit [Quit: nigelkerr] 17:23 -!- joatmon54 [~engest@cpe-66-74-195-46.san.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 17:23 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-161-252.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #go-nuts 17:26 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@82.84.95.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:27 -!- fabled [~fabled@mail.fi.jw.org] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:32 -!- tvw [~tv@212.79.9.150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36 -!- Kashia [~Kashia@port-92-200-102-179.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts 17:37 -!- leczb [~leczb@nat/google/x-zxhxvdgikhtwhzqr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:39 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.92.116] has quit [Quit: wrtp] 17:41 -!- ct529 [~quassel@77-44-78-159.xdsl.murphx.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46 -!- foocraft [~dsc@89.211.184.236] has joined #go-nuts 17:48 -!- MaksimBurnin [~max@44.188-224-87.telenet.ru] has joined #go-nuts 17:52 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.92.116] has joined #go-nuts 18:08 -!- DerHorst [~Horst@e176102057.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-173-148.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #go-nuts 18:20 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-161-252.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:27 < foocraft> http://electures.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/portal/download/3/6950/thm15%20-%20parallel%20merging.pdf 18:28 < skelterjohn> nice delayed reaction 18:30 < foocraft> skelterjohn, it took me some time to find one that's good 18:30 < foocraft> I mean, I wouldn't give you the link for something that doesn't make sense to me 18:30 < skelterjohn> :) 18:34 < skelterjohn> lots of pages 18:39 -!- noff [~noff@31-102.78-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #go-nuts 18:51 -!- gnuvince [~vince@x-132-204-33-205.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has quit [Quit: ""] 18:53 -!- |Craig| [~|Craig|@panda3d/entropy] has joined #go-nuts 18:53 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 18:59 -!- keithcascio [~keithcasc@nat/google/x-ehotkvarcylisbdb] has joined #go-nuts 19:00 -!- foocraft [~dsc@89.211.184.236] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:02 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@lawn-gw.rutgers.edu] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 19:04 -!- virtualsue [~chatzilla@nat/cisco/x-crabxggestnkgiuv] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:05 -!- foocraft [~dsc@89.211.184.236] has joined #go-nuts 19:18 -!- tvw [~tv@e176001156.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 19:21 -!- alkavan [~alkavan@87.68.159.158] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:24 -!- fabled [~fabled@83.145.235.194] has joined #go-nuts 19:31 -!- dju_ [~dju@fsf/member/dju] has joined #go-nuts 19:35 -!- dju [dju@fsf/member/dju] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:42 -!- pingveno [~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:44 -!- pingveno [~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:48 < plexdev> http://is.gd/ivOdu by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/nm/ -- nm: silently ignore .o files in .a files 19:48 -!- dju_ [~dju@fsf/member/dju] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:48 < plexdev> http://is.gd/ivOdO by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/cgo/ -- cgo: avoid self-interference of global names 19:48 < plexdev> http://is.gd/ivOev by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/math/ -- math: s/MinFloat/SmallestNonzeroFloat/ 19:49 -!- dju [~dju@89-158-236-80.rev.dartybox.com] has joined #go-nuts 19:49 -!- dju [~dju@89-158-236-80.rev.dartybox.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:49 -!- dju [~dju@fsf/member/dju] has joined #go-nuts 19:51 < hagna> does go have goto? 19:53 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.92.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:57 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.92.116] has joined #go-nuts 19:58 < exch> yes 20:04 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has joined #go-nuts 20:06 -!- dju [~dju@fsf/member/dju] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:07 -!- virtualsue [~chatzilla@nat/cisco/x-cnxncfckqiuudcdr] has joined #go-nuts 20:20 -!- Fish [~Fish@9fans.fr] has joined #go-nuts 20:24 -!- DarthShrine [~angus@60-242-109-62.tpgi.com.au] has joined #go-nuts 20:24 -!- DarthShrine [~angus@60-242-109-62.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 20:24 -!- DarthShrine [~angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has joined #go-nuts 20:27 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-197-196-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts 20:38 -!- plainhao [~plainhao@208.75.85.237] has quit [Quit: plainhao] 20:41 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.92.116] has quit [Quit: wrtp] 21:12 -!- ildorn [~ildorn@p5B2FDB73.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:12 -!- Eridius [~kevin@unaffiliated/eridius] has joined #go-nuts 21:14 -!- illya77 [~illya77@42-70-112-92.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:16 -!- prip [~foo@host241-9-dynamic.7-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:25 -!- ildorn [~ildorn@p5B2FDB73.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:29 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@99-8-218-190.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Venom_X] 21:30 -!- prip [~foo@host122-132-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #go-nuts 21:34 -!- Messanger [~Eliyahu@ip68-8-233-40.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:34 < Messanger> world leaders setting you all up right now to get microchipped by RFID microchips with identity/healthcare/credit information into their new world order why they are folding the economy , their solution to the problem they are causing is the RFID microchip http://www.scribd.com/doc/44997148/The-Mark-of-the-Beast Romans 10:13 all who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 21:34 -!- Messanger [~Eliyahu@ip68-8-233-40.sd.sd.cox.net] has left #go-nuts [] 21:35 -!- kashia_ [~Kashia@port-92-200-0-208.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts 21:39 -!- Kashia [~Kashia@port-92-200-102-179.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:40 < exch> orly 21:44 < dho> yarly 21:44 -!- ww [~ww@river.styx.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:46 < dho> hm 21:46 < dho> http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-security/1999/07/10/0000.html 21:46 < dho> I should talk to thor 21:46 < dho> he's a buddy of mine 21:47 -!- cco3 [~conley@c-69-181-138-209.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:47 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-173-148.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: E se abbasso questa leva che succ...] 21:49 -!- Fish [~Fish@9fans.fr] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 21:59 -!- meanburrito920 [~john@unaffiliated/meanburrito920] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:16 -!- illya77 [~illya77@42-70-112-92.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:17 -!- tsykoduk [~tsykoduk@174-31-220-250.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:25 -!- zozoR [~zozoR@56344bf6.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:28 -!- zozoR [~zozoR@56344bf6.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #go-nuts 22:35 -!- toyoshim [~toyoshima@y168217.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:48 -!- zozoR [~zozoR@56344bf6.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Morten. Desu~] 22:51 < plexdev> http://is.gd/iwj0h by [Robert Griesemer] in 2 subdirs of go/ -- godoc: first cut at textual search 22:55 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-197-196-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:56 * TheSeeker lols at bug 1337. 23:01 -!- ivan` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:03 -!- toyoshim [~toyoshim@y168217.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #go-nuts 23:04 -!- dju [~dju@fsf/member/dju] has joined #go-nuts 23:07 -!- ivan` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #go-nuts 23:07 -!- sauerbraten [~sauerbrat@p508CACDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:08 -!- dju [~dju@fsf/member/dju] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 23:09 -!- dju [~dju@fsf/member/dju] has joined #go-nuts 23:09 -!- napsy [~luka@88.200.96.18] has joined #go-nuts 23:14 -!- krutcha [~krutcha@remote.icron.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:26 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 23:28 -!- tensorpudding [~user@99.148.202.191] has joined #go-nuts 23:40 -!- awidegreen [~quassel@c-eacae555.08-2-73746f39.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:44 -!- ShadowIce [~pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:53 -!- photron [~photron@port-92-201-223-181.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:56 < TheSeeker> huh, did the nntp package get bundled into some other package? or was it just dropped? --- Log closed Sat Dec 11 00:00:01 2010