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02:12 < Ginto8> can someone help me figure out why this is deadlocking?
http://pastie.org/988516
02:14 < jessta> Ginto8: line 40
02:15 < jessta> oh...maybe not
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02:21 < exch> just a guess, but you are not closing the primes channel after
it's been filled
02:21 < exch> after line 30, add close(primes)
02:23 < jessta> exch: good point
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02:24 < exch> the same goes for 'c' in the primeFactor function
02:24 < exch> add 'close(c)' after line 55
02:25 < exch> Ranging over a channel will continue until the channel is
closed explicitely.  So leaving it open will just keep the range waiting for more
data indefinitely
02:25 < exch> hence the lockup
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12:48 < MizardX> Are strings handled like arrays, or slices?  If I make a
slice (s[5:10]) of a string, is that an expensive operation (copy of that portion
of the string), or relatively light-weight operation (like slices)?
12:48 < Namegduf> MizardX: It's a slice.  Possible because strings are
immutable.
12:49 < MizardX> Ok. Thanks.
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15:05 < plexdev> http://is.gd/czJwk by [Andrew Gerrand] in go/ -- A+C: added
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16:22 < plexdev> http://is.gd/czOWw by [Robert Griesemer] in 2 subdirs of
go/test/ -- bug284: test cases for new conversion rules
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16:41 < HollyRain> how to get the name of a variable got into a loop?
16:42 < HollyRain> var logTables = [...][256]uint32{log1, log2, log3, log4,
log5}
16:42 < HollyRain> when I do a for to 'logTables', I would want the variable
name where it's
16:43 < HollyRain> I've tried it with reflect but nothing ...
16:46 < Soultaker> I have no idea what you're asking...
16:46 < HollyRain> for _, table := range logTables {// to get the name of
variable
16:47 < exch> ' [...][256]uint32{log1, log2, log3, log4, log5' this stores
the values of log1...log5 in the list
16:47 < exch> getting to the variable names make no sense
16:47 < exch> *makes
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17:39 < plexdev> http://is.gd/czTOx by [Robert Griesemer] in 2 subdirs of
go/test/ -- bug284: additional conversion test case
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18:59 < pmyshkin> is it recommended to always install packages to GOROOT/pkg
instead of leaving them in a subdirectory in the project that uses them solely?
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19:03 < kmeyer> it's how the project's Make files are set up
19:03 < kmeyer> it's not required
19:03 < pmyshkin> I guess it's simpler
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19:14 < exch> you can override the install rule to your hearts content
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19:23 < Eko> if it's a package that I don't think I'll use in many other
programs, usually I just leave it in the same directory and -I.  -L.
19:23 < Eko> or with my newer makefiles that build into _obj/, -I_obj/
-L_obj/
19:24 < Eko> that way I don't clutter namespace and don't have to make
install before any local binaries I have will be made.
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19:30 < pmyshkin> the main attraction of installing to GOROOT is that the
makefiles become so simple
19:34 < Eko> pmyshkin: hehe, I have so many half-baked ideas when I code
that I'd end up with so many superfluous packages in $GOROOT/src/pkg ^_^
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19:56 < Eko> is there any way to tell what the OS-dependent slash direction
is?
19:56 < Eko> e.g.  for constructing filenames?
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19:56 < KirkMcDonald> Eko: Windows accepts / for most things, as it happens.
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19:57 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cA32g by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/big/ -- big:
fix spelling of Euclidean
19:57 < KirkMcDonald> Eko: Also: http://golang.org/pkg/path/
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19:58 < Eko> =O!  thanks KirkMcDonald.
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20:05 < KirkMcDonald> Eko: (Mind, it is up to whatever Windows build of Go
you're using to implement the path package correctly...)
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20:15 < Eko> KirkMcDonald: lol.  I'm not *using* windows, but I don't want
my code to break if someone does
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20:49 < JogyIII> Hi is there someone that can answer some performance
related questions to newbie?
20:50 < Soultaker> Maybe.  Go ahead and ask.  :)
20:51 < JogyIII> well I like Go alot, and intend to use it as application
server (AJAX part) but there is also static files to be served
20:52 < JogyIII> i am trying to decide do i have to install NGNIX in front
of Go program to serve static files, or can Go do it itself
20:52 < Soultaker> Go can certainly do that itself but if performance is
very important a high-performance HTTP server will probably do a better job of it.
20:52 < smw> JogyIII, I believe go can do that its self.  I would still use
something like lighttpd or NGNIX because it is easier
20:53 < Soultaker> (if you want to do it from Go, have a look at the
http.ServeFile function.)
20:53 < JogyIII> NGNIX can (on 1gbit conection) serve 26'000 requests per
second for small files like 1.5KB gif for example i would like to know what
percent of those 26'000 requests/second would i loose if i let Go also serve
static content?
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20:53 < smw> JogyIII, I am sure NGNIX has been written to handle that type
of load
20:54 < exch> don't think there are any tests for that yet.  So difficult to
say
20:54 < smw> don't reinvent the wheel
20:54 < Soultaker> I'm sure Go will be slower.  The Go webserver uses no
kernel facilities to speed things up.
20:54 < JogyIII> well i wanted to use just 1 tool instead of 2 but it seems
its beter to use specialized tool for each part of job ;)
20:54 < Soultaker> I'd say it depends on how much performance you need.
20:54 < JogyIII> thanks for help
20:55 < Soultaker> If you're doing a performance-critical project then I'd
say Go in its current shape is the wrong choice anyway.
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20:55 < smw> Even if he wrote it in C, an established webserver will
probably run better
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20:56 < JogyIII> well since im paying flat rate (1gbps) conection, and it
costs several thousand dolars/year i would not like to waste money, so goal is to
saturate 1gbit conection (its XEON with 2*4 cores+HT and 8GB ram )
20:56 < Soultaker> do you have enough visitors to even saturate it?
20:56 < JogyIII> thanks for help i guess i will keep using NGNIX for static
part than ;)
20:57 < JogyIII> video sites can easily saturate it, im sure ill do it in
few months
20:57 < JogyIII> some people need even several tens of servers
20:58 < Soultaker> well sure.  I'm sure if you're serving large flat files
Go can saturate it too.
20:59 < JogyIII> problem is i am trying to implement "smart" streaming that
serves video files in chunks changing from low to high quality and back as network
conection conditions change
21:00 < JogyIII> so it will not be 1 600MB file, it will be alot of 32K
files
21:00 < JogyIII> 32K being just example
21:00 < Soultaker> But then the performance question is about the
application part, right?  Not the flat files.
21:00 < Soultaker> nginx cannot dynamically combine files on its own either.
21:01 < JogyIII> not really those small files will be in chunks on hdd, and
flash player will ask for difrent chunks 1 by 1
21:01 < JogyIII> im making custom flash video player
21:02 < Soultaker> ah.  in that case you're probably best off with nginx or
lighttpd or something else that's designed to serve small files efficiently.
21:02 < JogyIII> if it sees it canot keep up bufering it will just start
asking for small quality files
21:02 < Soultaker> sounds sensible.  :)
21:02 < JogyIII> yep, but ill also need Go for dynamic part, was just
wondering can i do both job in same tool ;)
21:03 < Soultaker> the question is not whether Go can serve static files (it
can) but whether it can do it good enough for you; that's a bit of a fuzzy
question
21:04 < Soultaker> so if you want to know for sure, try it out :)
21:04 < Soultaker> I'm sure nginx will be more efficient at it at any rate.
21:04 < JogyIII> well if it can saturate 1gbit link with relatively small
files that is more than good enought for me
21:05 < JogyIII> its just that when you buy expensive car you dont want it
siting in garage half time ;)
21:06 < Soultaker> so witch 1 GBit we're talking 125,000,000 bytes
21:06 < Soultaker> at 32k per request that's 3906 requests per second
21:07 < JogyIII> yes
21:07 < JogyIII> that would be enought
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21:08 < exch> if 32k is the size of the actual data you are sending, then
add some overhead the request/response headers
21:08 < exch> at ~4k requests per second that adds up
21:08 < Soultaker> yeah, but that's probablyOF ~1KB
21:09 < JogyIII> offcourse, but response header is less than 200 bytes so it
can be ignored
21:09 < JogyIII> its full duplex (1gbit+1gbit) so request headers are not in
this part
21:14 < Soultaker> at this point I'd suggest you whip up a test program and
just try it (the apache suite comes with a simple benchmark tool)
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21:15 < Soultaker> the result would be interesting to see either way
21:15 < JogyIII> i was intending to try it just wanted some preliminary
applications
21:15 < JogyIII> since seting up virtual machine and instaling linux*2 is
not so cheap (in time)
21:16 < JogyIII> *preliminary answers
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21:22 < Eko> how does pass-by-value work with maps?
21:22 < Eko> if you pass a map to a function, can it modify it?
21:23 < exch> yes it can
21:23 < exch> slices to
21:23 < Eko> yeah, I knew that slices would
21:23 < Soultaker> maps are passed by reference.
21:23 < Eko> and I figured because they are both make()d, it would be the
same
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21:24 < Eko> Soultaker: I think technically it's still passed by value, but
the value is a reference to a map somewhere in memory...
21:24 < Soultaker> isn't the same true for slices then?
21:24 < Eko> just like a slice is inherently a pointer and a length.
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21:33 < fredgo> Some hope to see once OS/ARCH to incl.  darwin / arm ???
21:34 < dreadlorde> ?
21:34 < Ginto8> I think they do
21:34 < fredgo> ...in clear GO for iPhone OS (Darwin, ARM)
21:34 < Ginto8> oh
21:35 < Ginto8> hmm interesting
21:35 < Ginto8> idk how well Go could interface with objc tho
21:35 < Ginto8> and the sdk for iphone is objc
21:36 < fredgo> :) get .S for code bootstrap, use Core OS only (which is
pure C)
21:36 < Ginto8> hmm
21:36 < fredgo> If I'm not so wrong, finalizing the ARM compiler for this
target + have the C bindings should be enough
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21:37 < fredgo> at least fo Hello ford, BSD sockets...  Threads is another
story since APPL might have some weird interface
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21:40 < fredgo> Sape maybe could help ?
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21:59 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cAawb by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/fmt/ --
fmt.Scanf: implement formats, provide Sscanf (strings)
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22:15 < uriel> fredgo: I know of somebody that wanted to use Go to write
iPhone apps, but after the latest Apple license insanity, I doubt anyone will want
to waste their time making the effort
22:19 < uriel> fredgo: you can say whatever you like, and tomorrow apple can
reject your app and you will be SOL
22:19 < uriel> really, at this point even if one carefully plays by all the
silly rules, it makes no sense to develop for the iPhone because apple might
change the rules at any time
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22:20 < Ginto8> uriel has a very good point
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22:21 < Ginto8> steve jobs seems to intend to kill the iphone developer
community quite honestly =(
22:21 < fredgo> Hum...  I have no bad feeling about this.  Maybe I'm wrong.
22:23 < fredgo> Then my 2cents question : Does it make sense to write a go2C
?
22:24 < atsampson> fredgo: it's not a completely insane idea, but there are
non-trivial things involved, and there are better ways to do it
22:24 < atsampson> (I've written an occam-pi-to-C compiler fairly recently,
which is a very similar language)
22:25 < uriel> fredgo: take a look at this:
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/ca9za/
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22:30 < fredgo> Link : quite frustrated people :)
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22:33 < fredgo> BTW, back on the tek point of view, GO has a pretty good
background (Labs) and by interfacing properly to APPL frameworks, I'm pretty
convinced they would not argue the language is nothing insane compared to OBJ-C
22:36 < uriel> ok, you talk to Jobs and convince him, then tell us about it
22:36 < fredgo> I'll tell him it your idea only :)
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22:43 < uriel> fredgo: you don't need my email
22:43 < uriel> and now I'm going to sleep ;P
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22:45 < uriel> fredgo: it is not good netiquete to prv msg people without a
good reason
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23:33 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cAgAh by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/fmt/ --
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