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04:33 <@adg> Eridius: whichever makes your code simpler
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05:44 < jeff2> http://golang.org/pkg/json/ says of Marshal and structs: "By
default the object's key name is the struct field name converted to lower case".
but I'm seeing that the key name is mixed-case, the same as in the struct.  is
this a bug?
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06:01 < _1d5fclient_> helo
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06:14 < _1d5fclient_> http://pastie.org/1479786
06:14 < _1d5fclient_> eval1.go:50: non-declaration statement outside
function body
06:16 < _1d5fclient_> Does anyone know why that is happening, i just tried
to recreate the code from the video introduction to go
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06:17 < TheSeeker> where's your main func?
06:18 < TheSeeker> fmt.Println(newVal("2").BinaryOp("+",
newVal("4")).String())
06:18 < TheSeeker> is out in noman's land
06:19 < _1d5fclient_> i see
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07:52 < taruti> woot, I got 8g compiled on Plan9
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09:06 < taruti> could someone link a copy of runtime.a for 386_linux ?
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09:14 < taruti> got it :)
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09:22 < taruti> now I can compile go programs for linux on plan9 :D
09:23 < Broady> haha
09:23 < Broady> how come you don't have access to a linux boxen?
09:23 < Broady> a $5 vps does that ;)
09:24 < taruti> Broady: I'm aiming for compiling plan9 ones, just needs more
debugging
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09:26 < wrtp> taruti: using linuxemu?
09:26 < taruti> wrtp: natively
09:26 < wrtp> cool
09:26 < taruti> gopack does not work though :(
09:27 < taruti> 8g + 8l do
09:27 < wrtp> what about the build stuff?  still using gnumake?
09:27 < wrtp> or you just building the compiler manually?
09:28 < taruti> gnu make, no bash
09:28 < taruti> but more of an hack than a nice tidy port
09:28 < wrtp> the same makefiles then
09:29 < wrtp> rc or ape/sh?
09:30 < taruti> ape/sh for building, but the executables do not depend on
ape
09:30 < wrtp> good
09:31 < taruti> but this is really just a first hack
09:31 < wrtp> i'm really looking forward to the day that it all just works
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09:40 < taruti> 8c (neither plan9 nor go) has a bug triggered in
libmach/executable.c
09:40 < taruti> s/neither/both
09:41 < taruti> "out of registers" + "error in regfree: AL"
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09:58 < mpl> what's the best way to have one optional argument for a
function ? use the variadic ...  ?
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10:02 < Namegduf> Optional arguments are not supported in Go.
10:02 < Namegduf> Don't have one.
10:02 < Namegduf> They were deliberately left out.
10:04 < mpl> yeah I've seen that.  but seems like having a variadic and just
testing if its length is greater than 0 works fine enough.
10:05 < mpl> I've just tested that and that's good enough for me.  I was
just wondering if there's another trick to do that.
10:05 < Namegduf> Sure- it'll also let them specify other redundant extra
parameters, and only works for one.
10:05 < Namegduf> Why not just always have it there?
10:06 < Namegduf> It sounds like you're using a bigger hack to try to get
around the lack of a small thing.
10:06 < mpl> because most of the time the caller won't know or won't care
what that input should be.
10:06 < Namegduf> So?
10:06 < jnwhiteh> If I have a cgo package I want to distribute, but it
relies on a C library being present is there an easy way to distribute the source
of the library and have it compiled as part of the installation?
10:06 < mpl> Namegduf: so it just seemed a bit nicer to hide it than to
force the caller setting it to whatever.
10:07 < jnwhiteh> What I'm looking for is a better way to distribute
https://github.com/afitz/golua.  Since Lua is very small and easy to compile, it
would be much easier to just distribute it and statically link the cgo package
against it
10:07 < Namegduf> But is it nicer to have a varargs setup used *just* for
that than to have the caller set it to something?
10:07 < wrtp> mpl: if you look at the standard go library, you won't find a
single example where variadic arguments are used in that way.
10:07 < mpl> well it's dead simple, so why not?
10:07 < wrtp> that's a hint :-)
10:08 < Namegduf> Plus the reasons it was left out in the first place; if
there's only one signature it's easier to see how to use the function from
examples.
10:08 < Namegduf> Easier to read code is a win.
10:08 < wrtp> mpl: what's the type of the extra argument?
10:08 < mpl> wrtp: ideally, int.
10:09 < Namegduf> An extra 0 is not massively complicated
10:09 < mpl> it's not.  neither is adding the variadic check in my code.
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10:09 < wrtp> depending on what values are expected, it's common to use an
out-of-band 0 or -1 to represent "not present" for int-typed arguments
10:09 < Namegduf> Except it makes the signature more complicated to read
10:09 < wrtp> e.g.  strings.Trim
10:10 < Namegduf> The function's usage harder to recognise by example...
10:10 < wrtp> oops, i meant strings.Split
10:10 < Namegduf> And being an abuse of varargs is unidiomatic enough to
throw people for a loop.  Doing non-idiomatic things to save three characters is
kinda crazy.
10:10 < mpl> Namegduf: I agree it is not good practice to have smegtons of
different sigs, but I fail to see how this small variation can hurt.
10:11 < Namegduf> I think I just outlined how.
10:11 < wrtp> passing variadic arguments incurs an allocation too
10:11 < mpl> ah yes.
10:12 < wrtp> that appears to be true even if you don't pass any arguments
10:12 < mpl> oh well, both ways were ok to me.  if you guys think it's that
bad, I have no problem always leaving that extra arg.  thx for the input.
10:13 < wrtp> the other way is to have two functions, one with all the args,
the other with sensible defaults.
10:13 < mpl> wrtp: yeah, but for only one extra arg, that doesn't seem worth
it.
10:13 < wrtp> netchan.Import is an example
10:13 < Namegduf> To save ", 0" that's probably a bad idea as well, though;
it's just useful for cases where many are often not relevant.
10:13 < wrtp> that's only for one argument
10:13 < mpl> Namegduf: indeed.
10:14 < wrtp> and rob thought it was worth it...
10:14 < Namegduf> I tend to find my code trades some verbosity for much
improved readability over other languages
10:14 < mpl> so what's better if I want the caller to use the default, have
it set it to 0 or -1 ?
10:15 < wrtp> depends what the argument is...
10:15 < wrtp> what does the argument mean?
10:15 < taruti> now I can compile for plan9 natively too
10:15 < wrtp> sometimes 0 is a valid value
10:15 < Namegduf> 0 normally, -1 if 0 is not an invalid value
10:15 < Namegduf> (Which is quite common)
10:15 < taruti> the only "small" issue is that the runtime does not support
plan9 yet
10:15 < mpl> it represents the wordsize that will be used, so even 0 isn't a
valid value.
10:16 < wrtp> i'd generally go for -1, as 0 is a more common mistake
10:16 < wrtp> you could test for -1 and panic on 0
10:16 < Namegduf> 0 is a nice 'default', though.
10:17 < Namegduf> Amongst other things, it's good if you're generating the
value at runtime.
10:17 < mpl> how about authorizing both 0 and -1 to represent the default?
10:17 < mpl> or is that confusing?
10:17 < Namegduf> I think it's redundant.
10:17 < mpl> yeah
10:18 < Namegduf> I think I've degraded into bikeshedding, though.
10:18 < Namegduf> :P
10:18 < wrtp> Namegduf: yeah, but as 0 is the common default value, it's
easy to pass it by mistake if you've not initialised a field, for example.  then
the interface will hide the mistake.
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10:18 < wrtp> i'd prefer something a little more explicit.
10:19 < wrtp> but i might easily have a different preference tomorrow :-)
10:19 < Namegduf> Precedent: Set*Timeout
10:19 < Namegduf> In the net package.
10:19 < Namegduf> 0 means "off"
10:19 < Namegduf> But, yes, I'm bikeshedding here.  It's pretty
inconsequential, heh.
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10:21 < mpl> uhmm actually my arg is a uint8, so that kindof eliminates the
-1 possibility :)
10:22 < wrtp> in that case, 0 it is.
10:22 < mpl> yep
10:23 < wrtp> you could make the arg an int anyway
10:23 < mpl> yeah I could but I really don't need to, and 0 is totally fine
and unambiguous anyway.
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10:38 < quantumelixir> Why does the container/list package define methods on
type *List rather than List?
10:39 < quantumelixir> http://golang.org/pkg/container/list/
10:40 < Namegduf> 1) It has unexported fields; you can't call methods on it
itself outside the package because that causes an implicit copy, nor can you
assign it.
10:41 < Namegduf> 2) That would result in them operating on a copy, not the
original, which would be bad for mutating ones and if it's large, expensive on
others.
10:42 < Namegduf> I suspect it's internally a fairly small reference type,
so the last part of 2 doesn't apply, but the first part would for mutating
methods, and 1 does regardless.
10:42 < quantumelixir> Hmm..  regarding 1) why would calling a method on an
object cause an implicit copy?
10:42 < quantumelixir> oh function arg?
10:43 < Namegduf> s/object/struct/
10:43 < quantumelixir> oh ok
10:43 < Namegduf> Calling a method on a struct copies the struct in the same
way that passing the struct to a function would copy it
10:43 < Namegduf> All function parameters are by value in Go.
10:43 < quantumelixir> yeah got it..  that's why we need reference types
10:44 < Namegduf> Right.  Like, say, a pointer to List
10:44 < quantumelixir> this is similar to a few other languages I think..
Java does this internally too right?
10:44 < Namegduf> It's similar to C. It's not similar to Java, the language;
no idea about implementations.
10:47 < wrtp> quantumelixir: see http://golang.org/pkg/image/#Point for an
example of methods that are defined on the value type.
10:48 < Namegduf> No unexported fields, so they can copy it around.
10:48 < wrtp> yup.
10:48 < wrtp> and none of the methods need to change any of the fields -
they just return a new value.
10:49 < Namegduf> And it's small, so probably better than passing a pointer.
10:49 < Namegduf> Smaller than a slice, I think.
10:49 < wrtp> yeah, well certainly better than doing an allocation each time
you want to do some arithmetic.
10:49 < Namegduf> Or, on AMD64 and assuming int is still four bytes, a
string.
10:49 < Namegduf> Heh, yes.
10:50 < Namegduf> (Although the copy ought to be able to be on the stack?)
10:50 < Namegduf> (And I'm not sure stack usage "counts" as allocation)
10:50 < wrtp> currently any time you take a pointer to something, it goes on
the heap
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10:50 < Namegduf> Ah, yeah.
10:51 < wrtp> in the future, the compiler should be able to do better.
10:51 < wrtp> but not now.
10:51 < Namegduf> Escape analysis would be nice.
10:51 < wrtp> certainly would
10:51 < Namegduf> I wish it could avoid copying between strings and []byte
so much.
10:51 < wrtp> add inlining and you're starting to get good
10:52 < wrtp> Namegduf: i don't find myself doing that much
10:52 < wrtp> if in doubt, stay with []byte...
10:52 < Namegduf> I do, but I'm writing servers so that's unsurprising.
10:52 < Namegduf> Well, a server.
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10:53 < wrtp> so where do you find yourself copying between string and
[]byte a lot?
10:53 < taruti> got a working gopack now
10:53 < wrtp> yay
10:53 < Namegduf> Basically anything that gets added to state, or read from
it, must be converted to string.
10:53 < Namegduf> 1) It has to be copied out of the input buffer it was in.
10:54 < Namegduf> 2) Concurrency makes []byte messy.
10:54 < wrtp> "added to state"?
10:54 < Namegduf> Yes.
10:54 < Namegduf> There's a persistent state.
10:55 < quantumelixir> Namegduf and wrtp, thanks for the explanation and
example!
10:55 < wrtp> i don't see why the string conversion is necessary
10:55 < Namegduf> Well, a copy is necessary
10:56 < wrtp> sure, because of 1)
10:56 < wrtp> but that's not something any language could ever solve
10:56 < Namegduf> You could store it as a []byte, but you'd not be able to
use any string manipulation functions on it
10:56 < Namegduf> And you would have to be very careful not to change it
unless you "owned" that part of the state.
10:56 < wrtp> the bytes package has most of the manipulation functions that
strings does
10:57 < Namegduf> Which is nasty because it means everything everywhere
needs to carefully watch what it does and does not own that it's handling.
10:57 < wrtp> it's not hard to have a convention that certain things aren't
changed.
10:57 < quantumelixir> Are you suggesting something like reinterpreting the
same chunk of data as a string and perform string manipulations, on bytes?
10:57 < wrtp> we do it with fields in structs all the time.
10:58 < Namegduf> No, I'm suggesting that it could be aware that
conn.Write([]byte(str)) does not, in fact, need a copy
10:58 < quantumelixir> exactly, almost the same right?
10:58 < Namegduf> No, it's the inverse.
10:58 < Namegduf> Reinterpreting a string as a []byte.
10:58 < quantumelixir> oh right..
10:59 < quantumelixir> but this is very C-like
10:59 < Namegduf> That's actually true for all calls to write passing a
string in []byte, ever.
10:59 < Namegduf> Because Write doesn't mutate.
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10:59 < Namegduf> That is, for a given Write implementation.
10:59 < Namegduf> Doing it through an interface is messier.
11:00 < quantumelixir> Is there an mechanism by which we can inform the
compiler of it's non mutating character?
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11:00 < wrtp> if conn is an interface, then there's no telling that the
Write function doesn't change its argument when called.  the compiler can't tell
the difference between conn.Write([]byte(str)) and conn.Read([]byte(str)) which
*couldn't* be changed to avoid a copy
11:00 < wrtp> one is usually calling Write through an interface...
11:00 < Namegduf> If you say so.
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11:01 < Namegduf> I don't, mostly because when I accept a connection it
would need explicit wrapping in an interface for no reason for that.
11:02 < wrtp> Namegduf: don't you use net.Listen ?
11:02 < Namegduf> I use net.ListenTCP
11:02 < wrtp> if you use net.Listen, then your program can be trivially
changed to use a different network interface...
11:02 < Namegduf> No, it can't.
11:03 < Namegduf> It relies on reliable delivery and in-order delivery.
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11:03 < Namegduf> Being transport protocol agnostic takes a tad more effort
than that.
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11:03 < wrtp> ok, so it can be changed to use any different network
interface that supports those featurs
11:03 < wrtp> s/urs/ures/
11:03 < wrtp> it's still only a one-string change
11:04 < Namegduf> In this instance I also need SetWriteTimeout
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11:05 < Namegduf> ListenIP could work, potentially, but trying to hedge my
code just in case a successor to TCP comes along sounds like overengineering
11:05 < wrtp> the code is simpler
11:05 < Namegduf> How is it simpler?
11:06 < wrtp> you don't have to explicitly call resolveaddr
11:06 < Namegduf> I...  already don't do that?
11:07 < Namegduf> ListenTCP has basically the same signature as ListenIP
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11:08 < wrtp> yeah, you have to create a TCPAddr, right?
11:08 < Namegduf> c := l.AcceptTCP()
11:08 < Namegduf> Ah, ListenIP can't do it.
11:08 < wrtp> but you've already created l, using a TCPAddr
11:08 < Namegduf> Er
11:09 < Namegduf> l is a TCPListener
11:09 < wrtp> which, presumably you've called ResolveTCPAddr to create
11:09 < Namegduf> ...no?
11:09 < wrtp> func ListenTCP(net string, laddr *TCPAddr) (l *TCPListener,
err os.Error)
11:09 < Namegduf> l, _ := ListenTCP(...); c, _ := l.AcceptTCP()
11:09 < wrtp> isn't that the only way to create a TCPListener ?
11:09 < wrtp> what do you pass for laddr?
11:10 < Namegduf> Ah, right.  It doesn't resolve it for me.
11:10 < Namegduf> I would put that down as "being more explicit" rather than
"being more complicated"
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11:11 < wrtp> IMO the authors intended Listen() to be the "standard"
interface.
11:11 < wrtp> you can use it for almost any proto
11:11 < Namegduf> Listen is no good in this case anyway because it lacks
SetWriteTimeout().
11:11 < wrtp> that's easy
11:12 < wrtp> func setWriteTimeout(c net.Conn, t int64) {if c, ok :=
c.(interface{SetWriteTimeout(int64)}); ok {c.SetWriteTimeout(t)}}
11:12 < wrtp> or something like that
11:13 < Namegduf> Congratulations, you've broken my program horribly.
11:13 < Namegduf> No, that's not a solution; the call is there because it's
needed.
11:13 < wrtp> return an error if the call isn't supported
11:13 < wrtp> you've got to check the error anyway
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11:15 < Namegduf> Hmm, Conn does have SetWriteTimeout.  Maybe it was
somehing else I needed, blah.  I forget, I had some code which wouldn't compile
due to Conn not having the method, so I just switched it to TCPConn.
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11:16 < Namegduf> This is beside the point, anyway.  Okay, most uses of
Write by most people might be through an interface, making the optimisation
pointless.
11:16 < wrtp> not necessarily entirely pointless
11:17 < Namegduf> That just means there's no obvious solution to the suck of
passing something of possibly significant size that has no need to be copied, but
will be.
11:17 < wrtp> currently: b = append(b, []byte(s)) incurs a copy.  but it
doesn't need to
11:17 < Namegduf> Keeping everything inside the server []byte basically
removes the gain of having string in the first place.
11:18 < Namegduf> Which kinda sucks.
11:18 < wrtp> i think strings are mostly intended to be relatively short
11:18 < Namegduf> Isn't really an option here because I don't like to export
huge amounts of complexity in using a package.
11:19 < wrtp> they're still very useful like that
11:19 < Namegduf> Code simplicity would win over "Okay, remember these rules
for what you get from calling this function." here and there.
11:19 < Namegduf> Over the performance gain from doing that, rather.
11:20 < wrtp> Buffer.Bytes ?
11:20 < Namegduf> You mean bytes.Buffer?
11:20 < Namegduf> Not sure what you mean.
11:21 < Namegduf> I use one here and there for building stuff up, writing
it, then sending it out (typically repeatedly), but for storing stuff it has no
major advantages over []byte.
11:21 < Namegduf> As far as I know, anyway.
11:21 < wrtp> no, i meant the Bytes method, which returns a slice of the
buffer.  if you change it, you change the actual contents of the buffer.  if you
call methods on the buffer, the return value of Bytes will be overwritten
11:22 < wrtp> the major advantage of bytes.Buffer is that it implements
io.Reader and io.Writer
11:24 < wrtp> oops no, i was actually thinking of
http://golang.org/src/pkg/bufio/bufio.go?s=6253:6319#L240
11:24 < wrtp> oops
11:24 < wrtp> http://golang.org/pkg/bufio/#Reader.ReadSlice
11:24 < wrtp> i.e.  "The bytes stop being valid at the next read call."
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12:15 < TheMue> For all German Go fans: Today I received the first copy of
my Go book (http://amzn.to/emX68O).  It will be available on Monday.
12:17 < Tonnerre> Crazy
12:17 < wrtp> cool.  pity the first Go book is German, which i don't read.
12:18 < TheMue> It's not the first one.  There's one in English, another one
in German and afaik one in Japanese.
12:19 < Tonnerre> <de>Bistabiles Kippglied</de>
12:19 < wrtp> what's the english one?
12:20 < TheMue>
http://www.amazon.com/Go-Programming-John-P-Baugh/dp/1453636676/
12:22 < wrtp> thanks.  i hadn't seen that.
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15:07 < artefon> nsf, hello :)
15:07 < nsf> hi
15:08 < mosva> Welcome to go-nuts artefon
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15:09 < uriel> TheMue: is an English translation planned?
15:10 < aiju> German Hello world: fmt.Printf("Heil, Welt!  卍\n");
15:12 < kimelto> erm.
15:14 < fzzbt> your hakenkreuz is wrong way
15:14 < aiju> i know
15:15 < fzzbt> so it's okay, if it's left-facing?
15:16 < fzzbt> :s
15:16 < aiju> i'm just too lazy to look up the correct codepoint
15:20 < TheMue> uriel: Sadly not (yet).
15:20 < TheMue> aiju: That's the 1933 edition, but you know we've got 2011
today?
15:21 < aiju> TheMue: the NPD is over 5% in Saxon, it's not completely
obsolete yet!
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15:22 < TheMue> aiju: But not in the whole country.
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15:23 < TheMue> OK, but prejudice want to be cultivated.
15:24 < aiju> TheMue: i am german, you know
15:24 < Tonnerre> German != german
15:24 < Tonnerre> There are east and west germans :P
15:24 < aiju> haha
15:24 < TheMue> And north and south
15:24 < skelterjohn> central, ring
15:25 < TheMue> Event that
15:27 < TheMue> But comming back to Go: Yes, the book contains the typical
"Hello, World" :)
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16:19 < uriel> don't mention the war!
16:20 < mpl> the war?  what war?
16:23 < skelterjohn> we have always been at war with eurasia
16:24 < fzzbt> who we?
16:24 < Tonnerre> Oceania of course
16:25 < fzzbt> oh
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18:11 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dDb93B by [Ken Thompson] in go/src/cmd/5g/ --
arm reg bug with address(variable)
18:11 < plexdev> http://is.gd/QIRHkg by [Ken Thompson] in go/src/cmd/5g/ --
arm bug address of a string
18:11 < plexdev> http://is.gd/h3hmCy by [Ken Thompson] in go/src/cmd/5g/ --
arm reg bug with SP adjust
18:11 < plexdev> http://is.gd/4YOn3J by [Ian Lance Taylor] in
go/src/pkg/syscall/ -- syscall: Correct length of GNU/Linux abstract Unix domain
sockaddr.
18:11 < plexdev> http://is.gd/ot1c7L by [Russ Cox] in go/ -- C: add Jos
Visser (Google CLA)
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18:11 < plexdev> http://is.gd/rn0M7v by [Jos Visser] in go/src/pkg/expvar/
-- expvar: add Float
18:11 < plexdev> http://is.gd/JH5q6v by [Anthony Martin] in 2 subdirs of go/
-- gc: fix typed constant declarations
18:11 < plexdev> http://is.gd/Yv1upp by [Robert Griesemer] in
go/src/cmd/godoc/ -- godoc: bring back "indexing in progress" message
18:11 < plexdev> http://is.gd/ilCGqR by [Rob Pike] in 2 subdirs of go/doc/
-- tutorial: make stdin, stdout, stderr work on Windows.
18:11 < plexdev> http://is.gd/55mcBN by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- syscall: correct WSTOPPED on OS X
18:11 < plexdev> http://is.gd/JAwzR8 by [Rob Pike] in go/doc/ -- tutorial:
update go_tutorial.txt
18:11 < plexdev> http://is.gd/w4C5js by [Russ Cox] in 9 subdirs of go/ --
runtime: print signal information during panic
18:12 < plexdev> http://is.gd/kO2ZOI by [Gustavo Niemeyer] in
go/src/pkg/xml/ -- xml: support for > in tags
18:12 < plexdev> http://is.gd/2h0WfC by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/src/
-- gc, runtime: make range on channel safe for multiple goroutines
18:12 < plexdev> http://is.gd/8qLzRM by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/cc/ -- cc:
fix vlong condition
18:12 < plexdev> http://is.gd/Z6pOSK by [Adam Langley] in
go/src/pkg/crypto/cipher/ -- crypto/cipher: add OFB mode
18:12 < plexdev> http://is.gd/xcHJ5v by [Ken Thompson] in go/src/cmd/5g/ --
arm register allocation/tempname allocation bug
18:12 < plexdev> http://is.gd/uecSm8 by [Rob Pike] in
go/src/pkg/crypto/cipher/ -- crypto/cipher: fix build (missing file in Makefile)
18:12 < plexdev> http://is.gd/DtYNiu by [Yasuhiro Matsumoto] in
go/src/pkg/syscall/ -- syscall: fix build.  WUNTRACED isn't defined for win32.
18:12 < plexdev> http://is.gd/P7ATVj by [Corey Thomasson] in go/src/pkg/net/
-- net: avoid nil dereference if /etc/services can't be opened
18:12 < plexdev> http://is.gd/d6MrVB by [Clement Skau] in go/src/pkg/http/
-- http: fix Content-Range and Content-Length in response
18:12 < plexdev> http://is.gd/614DzG by [Russ Cox] in go/ -- A+C: Clement
Skau (individual CLA)
18:12 < plexdev> http://is.gd/MU1X76 by [Robert Griesemer] in go/doc/ -- go
spec: adjust language for constant typing
18:12 < plexdev> http://is.gd/RTFt7i by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/fmt/ --
fmt: document %X of string, []byte
18:12 < plexdev> http://is.gd/S9MNuV by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/ --
runtime: add per-pause gc stats
18:12 < plexdev> http://is.gd/1othWi by [Rob Pike] in go/ -- CONTRIBUTORS:
add Ben Lynn (Google employee)
18:12 < plexdev> http://is.gd/QmdJer by [Ben Lynn] in go/src/pkg/regexp/ --
regexp: reject bare ?
18:13 < plexdev> http://is.gd/m6kmN9 by [Albert Strasheim] in
go/src/pkg/net/ -- net: add unixpacket
18:13 < plexdev> http://is.gd/X8kMie by [Eoghan Sherry] in go/src/pkg/math/
-- math: handle denormals in Frexp, Ilogb, Ldexp, and Logb
18:13 < plexdev> http://is.gd/TbJ0QU by [Sebastien Binet] in 3 subdirs of
go/src/ -- cgo: add complex float, complex double
18:13 < plexdev> http://is.gd/omBcal by [Albert Strasheim] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- net, syscall: return source address in Recvmsg
18:13 < plexdev> http://is.gd/YXcCn4 by [Ryan Hitchman] in
go/lib/codereview/ -- codereview: don't mail change lists with no files
18:13 < plexdev> http://is.gd/Dv2iyW by [Wei Guangjing] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- net: implement windows timeout
18:13 < artefon> wow
18:13 < plexdev> http://is.gd/YAwJlL by [Alex Brainman] in go/src/cmd/ld/ --
8l: pe changes
18:13 < plexdev> http://is.gd/MEpJkq by [Hector Chu] in 6 subdirs of go/ --
windows: implement exception handling
18:13 < plexdev> http://is.gd/7JEL0I by [Russ Cox] in go/ -- CONTRIBUTORS:
secondary email for Kyle Lemons
18:13 < plexdev> http://is.gd/jhojp9 by [Kyle Lemons] in go/src/pkg/net/ --
net: add LookupAddr
18:13 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b30oiE by [Brad Fitzpatrick] in
go/src/pkg/http/ -- http: support for relative URLs
18:13 < plexdev> http://is.gd/8wRCQU by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/net/ --
net: fix build on freebsd
18:13 < plexdev> http://is.gd/G2kytf by [Rob Pike] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- runtime/debug: new package
18:13 < plexdev> http://is.gd/t00ZWi by [Roger Peppe] in go/src/pkg/netchan/
-- netchan: do not block sends; implement flow control.
18:14 < kimelto> commit fest?  :)
18:14 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6LDL8k by [Russ Cox] in go/ -- A+C: Jeff R.
Allen (individual CLA)
18:14 < plexdev> http://is.gd/ZBZjC2 by [Jeff R. Allen] in 7 subdirs of
go/src/cmd/ -- 5a, 5l, 6a, 6l, 8a, 8l: handle out of memory, large allocations
18:14 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gydUKA by [Rob Pike] in
go/src/pkg/runtime/debug/ -- runtime/debug: fix build (missing Makefile)
18:14 < plexdev> http://is.gd/2uqIt9 by [Gustavo Niemeyer] in
go/src/pkg/xml/ -- xml: handle tag paths through the same element
18:14 < plexdev> http://is.gd/GAmmfM by [Robert Griesemer] in
go/src/cmd/godoc/ -- godoc: enable qualified identifiers ("math.Sin") as query
strings again
18:14 < plexdev> http://is.gd/D6xzgv by [Robert Griesemer] in 2 subdirs of
go/ -- godoc: enable fulltext index by default
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18:14 < plexdev> http://is.gd/p5SiC4 by [Hector Chu] in go/lib/codereview/
-- codereview: fix hg change on Windows
18:14 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dgTnyz by [Ken Thompson] in go/src/cmd/5g/ --
arm bug with stack adjust
18:14 < plexdev> http://is.gd/SNvMUk by [Adam Langley] in
go/src/pkg/crypto/twofish/ -- crypto/twofish: update with rsc's comments
18:14 < plexdev> http://is.gd/D48pKV by [Andrew Gerrand] in
go/src/pkg/syscall/ -- syscall: attempt to fix windows build, supply missing
constant
18:14 < plexdev> http://is.gd/uw3Tkr by [Andrew Gerrand] in go/src/pkg/net/
-- net: remove duplicate import of runtime
18:14 < plexdev> http://is.gd/NIGw6i by [Andrew Gerrand] in 2 subdirs of go/
-- release.2011-01-19
18:14 < plexdev> http://is.gd/XwPZPm by [Andrew Gerrand] in go/ -- tag
release.2011-01-19
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spec: remove float, complex in favor of float64 and complex128
18:15 < plexdev> http://is.gd/x2dmZB by [Rob Pike] in 3 subdirs of go/doc/
-- docs: float->float64 plus a couple of other tweaks.
18:15 < plexdev> http://is.gd/tzrRkI by [Russ Cox] in 4 subdirs of go/misc/
-- misc: update type + builtin lists found in editor support files
18:15 < plexdev> http://is.gd/MKKs5c by [Russ Cox] in 5 subdirs of
go/src/cmd/ -- gc: delete float, complex
18:15 < plexdev> http://is.gd/OQCeeK by [Russ Cox] in 26 subdirs of go/ --
delete float, complex - code changes
18:15 < plexdev> http://is.gd/AFRMCy by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/ --
release.2011-01-20
18:15 < plexdev> http://is.gd/j3ril4 by [Russ Cox] in go/ -- tag
release.2011-01-20
18:15 < plexdev> http://is.gd/r8IPhw by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/net/ --
net: fix windows build (?)
18:15 < plexdev> http://is.gd/O1BR7d by [Alex Brainman] in go/src/pkg/net/
-- net: get tests working to fix windows build
18:15 < aiju> WHOA
18:15 < plexdev> http://is.gd/67cWCX by [Alex Brainman] in
go/src/pkg/syscall/ -- syscall: include all, even duplictate, invented error
messages
18:15 < plexdev> http://is.gd/WEStGF by [Adam Langley] in
go/src/pkg/crypto/openpgp/s2k/ -- crypto/openpgp: add s2k
18:15 < plexdev> http://is.gd/nWT02s by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/runtime/ --
runtime: make select fairer
18:15 < plexdev> http://is.gd/7TMeQ4 by [Hector Chu] in
go/src/pkg/runtime/windows/386/ -- runtime: fix tabs in windows/386/sys.s
18:15 < plexdev> http://is.gd/LTWKDd by [Wei Guangjing] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/cmd/ -- 6l: windows/amd64 port
18:16 < plexdev> http://is.gd/A0dT4q by [Wei Guangjing] in 12 subdirs of
go/src/ -- cgo: windows/386 port
18:16 < plexdev> http://is.gd/3mBQBk by [Wei Guangjing] in go/src/cmd/ld/ --
8l: emit DWARF in Windows PE.
18:16 < plexdev> http://is.gd/k4qEoy by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/5l/ -- 5l:
document -F, force it on old ARMs
18:16 < plexdev> http://is.gd/yJIrGM by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/http/ --
http: follow relative redirect in Get
18:16 < plexdev> http://is.gd/HDsCxq by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/ --
6g: fix uint64(uintptr(unsafe.Pointer(&x)))
18:16 < plexdev> http://is.gd/JNBB9p by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/unsafe/ --
unsafe: add missing case to doc for Pointer
18:16 < plexdev> http://is.gd/DJYx2L by [Russ Cox] in go/ -- A+C: Miek
Gieben (individual CLA)
18:16 < aiju> oh neat
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18:16 < plexdev> http://is.gd/J7eHgY by [Miek Gieben] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- encoding/base32: new package
18:16 < aiju> the patch for my problem is among those
18:16 < quantumelixir> aiju: which one
18:16 < rm445> nice to see the Go authors keeping busy :-)
18:16 < aiju> 19:17 < plexdev> http://is.gd/HDsCxq by [Russ Cox] in 2
subdirs of go/ -- 6g: fix uint64(uintptr(unsafe.Pointer(&x)))
18:16 < jumzi> woho!
18:17 < jumzi> And gofy takes of
18:17 < quantumelixir> aiju: I knew it!  It _had_ to do something with
unsafe.Pointer!  :D
18:17 < aiju> took him one hour to fix it
18:17 < quantumelixir> what was the problem?
18:17 < aiju> quantumelixir: didn't compile
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gotest: new cgo does not require LD_LIBRARY_PATH
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go/src/pkg/runtime/linux/ -- runtime: drop CLONE_PARENT
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18:56 < jeffreyb> Hello, I'm getting a "Segmentation fault" when linking a
project after upgrading to release 2011-01-20, anyone have any ideas why that
might be?
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19:00 < plexdev> http://is.gd/76oPxn by [Robert Griesemer] in 2 subdirs of
go/ -- godoc: show line numbers for non-go files (bug fix)
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19:18 < temoto> jeffreyb, this usually happen when you work with binary
files produced by earlier versions of compiler/linker.
19:18 < temoto> jeffreyb, so quick solutions is: rebuild everything.
19:19 < temoto> jeffreyb, including all third party libraries you use.
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20:00 < rm445> guys, question about your use of Go packages: in a typical
non-tiny program, there will probably be various separate conceptual 'parts', that
you wouldn't necessarily split off and re-use in other programs.
20:00 < rm445> Do you split these into separate packages?  And do you tend
to buld them with the standard makefile (installing them in your $GOROOT) or do
your own thing?
20:00 < taruti> no
20:00 < aiju> i just write one main package for most of my programs
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20:08 < TheMue> i've got many packages handling special tasks, and only
small mains
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20:12 < rm445> ah-ha!  Anything can be made to work of course, it's just the
many-pronged question of what is 'best'.
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20:41 < rdf> hi, quick questions has there been any interest or rumbling on
developing an HDL in go?  For those that have dealt with the pain of verilog or
VHDL, you know being able to do this in go would be a really interesting
alternative.  Just a thought, and again a desire to gauge interest.
20:42 < taruti> I wouldn't pick Go for that
20:43 < rm445> Would it be Go? Or would it be an HDL that looked like Go?
20:44 < rdf> you could go either way, obviously easier to make a go looking
language that expands to VHDL
20:45 < rdf> One thing to try, go compiles on an arm and you could have a
decent setup connecting a go program on an arm conrolling an on board FPGA using
goroutines as a channel of communication.
20:46 < rdf> you would just need a way of expressing process and
architecture blocks in go
20:46 < rdf> is this just too far outside the scope of go?  Or would the
type system become problematic
20:47 < rdf> there have been some interesting attempts in haskell and c
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20:48 < rdf> taruti: why would you not pick Go for that?
20:48 < taruti> rdf: I would use something that makes implementing DSLs
easier, such as Haskell
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20:55 < rdf> Alright, thanks I'll just build off of the python or ruby dsl
which already exist.
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20:59 < jeffreyb> temoto, thanks that fixed the problem!  I didn't realise
that re-running goinstall didn't rebuild the 3rd party packages from scratch.
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22:42 < erus`> Go-SDL is broken :O
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22:43 < erus`> just mixer actually
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22:47 < TubeSteak> hi
22:48 < TubeSteak> what is the recommended client library for mongo?
gomongo or mongogo?
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22:56 < exch> erus`: there's been a patch request sent, but it hasn't been
accepted yet.  You can fix it by replacing all instances of 'float' with 'float32'
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