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00:49 < plexdev> http://is.gd/hFExG by [Alex Brainman] in
go/src/pkg/runtime/windows/ -- runtime: fix SysFree to really free memory on
Windows
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13:12 < wrtp> anyone know if the write system call is guaranteed to be
atomic in darwin?  i'm getting broken-up log messages, which shouldn't happen...
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13:23 < uriel> "attomic"?  I don't know, but I think write() is not
'attomic' in that sense in any OS
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13:28 < wrtp> "attomic" isn't a word
13:29 < wrtp> i thought it was usual for write to be atomic under unix
13:29 < wrtp> it is under plan 9, for example (as long as len buf <
atomic io size)
13:34 < Namegduf> Even with network filesystems?
13:35 < Namegduf> Hmm, this thing suggests that write() should be for small
amounts...
13:37 < wrtp> Namegduf: try this program: http://pastebin.com/hh7BF6GE
13:37 < wrtp> it should strictly alternate x lines and y lines, but they get
mixed up for me
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13:41 < wrtp> i'd be interested if anyone else could try it too.
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13:44 < exch> wrtp: it doesn't alternate on arch linux
13:44 < wrtp> exch: is that writing to a tty, or to a file?
13:45 < exch> tty
13:45 < wrtp> oh, i didn't really mean "strictly alternate" at all
13:45 < exch> Im not sure what you mean by alternate though..  You get lines
mixed together?
13:45 < wrtp> i meant that every line should be the same length
13:45 < exch> ah
13:45 < exch> that does happen
13:45 < wrtp> and each line should consist either of all x's or all y's
13:45 < exch> all lines are either xxxx or yyyy and all equal length
13:46 < wrtp> i get this: http://pastebin.com/c2FcAkZz
13:48 < wrtp> :-(
13:50 < wrtp> it's ok really, it's easy to work around
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13:52 < Rainburst> What will be the difference, if you use println?
13:52 < wrtp> no difference
13:52 < wrtp> i don't think
13:52 < wrtp> i'll just check
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13:54 < zzz> write() is atomic if the size is <= PIPE_BUF bytes (see
http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/write.html)
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13:54 < wrtp> i get similarly non-atomic writes (only with GOMAXPROCS > 1
though, as println doesn't yield)
13:54 < vegai> hey
13:54 < wrtp> zzz: ok, so mac os is broken
13:54 < vegai> wasn't there a webpage with graphs of different versions and
their test suite runtimes?
13:54 < wrtp> surprise
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14:05 < Rainburst> http://pastebin.com/CurBYzhD try this please.  I have no
unix-os-computer right now.  golang.org result is all loop1, then all loop2
14:10 < nsf> Rainburst: actually it should be all loop2 and then all loop1
imho
14:10 < wrtp> nsf: it's undefined
14:10 < nsf> I'm taking into account the current scheduler implementation
14:11 < nsf> Rainburst: anyways, the scheduler is not preemptive, it is
cooperative
14:11 < nsf> it means that goroutine gets scheduled only when you do some
kind of communication
14:12 < nsf> the biggest problem here that this is a subject to change I
believe
14:12 < nsf> and you can't rely on that fact
14:13 < wrtp> nsf: it doesn't matter - it's all non-deterministic - your
program shouldn't rely on scheduler behaviour
14:13 < Rainburst> ok, i'll spend a lot of time with the dictionary to
understand, what have you said =)
14:14 < wrtp> Rainburst: there's no difference with your code
14:14 < Rainburst> runtime.GOMAXPROCS(smth)
14:14 < Rainburst> i think it may help, but it doesn't work in playground
14:15 < nsf> Rainburst: your IP is russian as far as I can see, I can
explain the same stuff in russian if you want :)
14:15 < Rainburst> It will be great)))
14:15 < nsf> in private..
14:16 < wrtp> Rainburst: GOMAXPROCS shouldn't make a difference to atomicity
of writes
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14:17 < nsf> great..
14:17 < nsf> :(
14:17 < Guest517> my router drives me insane
14:17 < nsf> :)
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15:17 < nsf>
http://groups.google.com/group/golang-dev/browse_thread/thread/98ca27839732c492
15:17 < nsf> great
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15:18 < nsf> it will make it much easier to write end user apps in go
15:19 < nsf> "and then next week I will be working on the garbage collector"
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15:19 < nsf> and this is nice too :)
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15:32 < exch> nice
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16:22 < alexis> hi here !
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16:24 < alexis> I'm currently going trough the go tutorial, and at the very
beginning, I can't find the gccgo compiler while installing from the last hg head
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16:25 < alexis> I'm wondering if it's normal
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16:38 < alexis> anyone ?
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16:38 < mpl> fwiw, I don't have it either.  just noticed as I had never
needed it.
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16:39 < mpl> alexis: it's been integrated to gcc4.6 btw, but dunno how it is
provided by the go source.
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16:51 < dho> It is not
16:51 < dho> gccgo is a separate project that is also worked on by the go
team
16:51 < dho> it was historically done in a branch, but it's now part of gcc.
16:51 < alexis> mpl: ah okay, didnt understood that.  maybe should it be
specified on the intro.  doc ?
16:53 < mpl> alexis: well, go on and propose the change to the mailing-list,
or even submit the change yourself for review.
16:53 < mpl> thx dho, good to know.
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16:53 < alexis> mpl.  okay, will do.
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17:08 < dho> and by "by the go team" I mean iant.
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17:09 < gmilleramilar> what do people suggest to use for a simple persistent
key-value store in Go?
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17:13 < dho> I'm pretty sure there are drivers for all of mongo, redis, and
memcached
17:16 < mpl> it might be overkill but there's sqlite as well.
17:26 < gmilleramilar> yeah, sqlite might work.  Does anybody know if
there's a wrapper for bdb?
17:29 < gmilleramilar> I guess redis is pretty close to bdb for this
application.
17:29 < alexis> oh, retrevield seems to be of a great help for the reviewing
process.
17:30 * alexis likes to do that using an hg ext :)
17:32 < alexis> Rietveld*
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18:25 < krutcha> is go-gtk the way to go for a graphical UI at the moment?
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19:35 < uriel> krutcha: depends on the kind of graphical UI you want
19:35 < uriel> krutcha: there are also some fltk bindings
19:35 < uriel> but probably the go-gtk are probably the most mature bindings
19:36 < uriel> i think there are people using them even on windows
19:37 < alexis> nice to know :)
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19:43 < krutcha> uriel: ty for the heads up on fltk, honestly I'd probably
favor that for simplicity
19:43 < nsf> fltk is dead, too simple and written in C++
19:44 < uriel> http://go-lang.cat-v.org/library-bindings is your friend
19:44 < nsf> tk bindings would be nice, but currently go-gtk is the best
choice
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19:48 < krutcha> is it dead as in no longer maintained?  or just dead in
go's eyes because it's in C++?
19:49 < nsf> it's not about bindings
19:49 < nsf> it's about fltk itself
19:50 < nsf> the project is tasteless
19:50 < nsf> my personal opinion :)
19:50 < pingveno> I just realized that an issue that I requested sorta-kinda
broke misc/dashboard/googlecode_upload.py on every Linux distro except Arch Linux.
Is there a way to reopen the bug?  I'm not seeing the ling.
19:50 < pingveno> link*
19:51 < pingveno> Or should I just fine a new bug?
19:51 < dho> did it break it on other operating systems as well?  :P
19:52 < dho> I'd file a new issue.  if you can't find it.
19:52 < krutcha> nsf: :P ic.  Well in my case I have a simple go client app
that's coming along and I wanted to experiment with linking in a gui framework's
callbacks/binding requirements purely for experimentation with go.  So the most
"popular in go" approach would be favored
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19:52 < exch> pingveno: arch linux recently moved to Python 3 as the
standard python environment.  Is it possible that the script is not propler
compatible with 3.x?
19:52 < exch> s/propler/properly
19:53 < nsf> krutcha: well you can try both then and see what's best
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19:54 < krutcha> nsf: yeah I think switching more than one in would be the
best way to ensure the underlying client package is robust, if it's not too much
headache I'll implement examples of the *currently text* sample client in as many
gui's as possible
19:55 < pingveno> Sorry, went AFK.  The bug was specifically for any distro
that symlinks /usr/bin/python to python3.x
19:55 < pingveno> And by any distro, I mean Arch
19:56 < pingveno> I didn't realize that the python2 symlink doesn't exist by
default on other distros, though a /usr/bin/python2 somehow showed up on my Ubuntu
install.
19:57 < pingveno> So, yeah, the change needs to be reversed.
19:59 < pingveno> The script that was changed is
misc/dashboard/googlecode_upload.py
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20:50 < uriel> 19:56 < pingveno> I didn't realize that the python2
symlink doesn't exist by default on other distros,
20:50 < uriel> duh!
20:50 < uriel> I think we went over this months ago, arch is just totally
broken and retarded
20:52 < exch> because it decided to switch to python 3?
21:14 < dho> because uriel said so
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21:37 < uriel> exch: because it decided to name python3 /usr/bin/python
21:37 < uriel> could just as well replace /usr/bin/perl with /usr/bin/python
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21:45 < exch> That seems like a rather poor reason to call it 'totally
broken and retarded'.  There's a good reason why they did that.  I can understand
if you don't really agree with Arch's phylosophy, but that to is hardly an excuse.
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22:09 < emjayess> Hi e'rybody.  I just completed the codelab wiki
(http://golang.org/doc/codelab/wiki/)
22:09 < emjayess> Go is pretty cool.  that is all.  kthxbai
22:09 < anticw> exch: python3 is somewhat different to other versions of
python ...  a lot of existing (not legacy) assume /usr/bin/python is something
2.4-2.7 ish
22:10 < anticw> py3 isn't widely used ...  and probably won't be for some
time
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22:56 < uriel> exch: there is absolutely no good reason to break every
python script in the world
22:56 < uriel> artefon: even if python3 was widely used, it is a different
language
22:57 < uriel> er, sorry, s/ artefon/ anticw/
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22:57 < uriel> but anyway, we have gone over this before
22:58 < Rezzie> Is there a power operator in Go? I can see pow(x, y float64)
- but I have two int64 I'd like to do.
22:59 < uriel> Rezzie: not afaik, but should be trivial enough to write your
own I think
23:00 < TheSeeker> My udp echo program works now in windows.  yay :)
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23:01 < Rezzie> uriel: Thanks.  There's nothing in the standard libraries
for integer powers?  Is that operation not common enough to warrant adding it into
the language/standard library?  :/
23:03 < uriel> seems so, can't say for sure because I have not had need for
it so I haven't looked too closely
23:03 < uriel> you could also convert the ints to float, and then back
23:03 < uriel> it all depends how perf essential the calculation is, what
are you trying to do?
23:05 < Rezzie> Get familiar with the language by running through some of
the project Euler questions :)
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23:09 < anticw> exch: i was agreeing with you
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23:56 < rhencke> anyone ever had go blow up in runtime.morestack?
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