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01:00 < Gekz> so in place of classes, you simply apply a function to a
structure?
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01:03 < Ginto8> somewhat
01:03 < Ginto8> "classes" are sets of data and methods
01:03 < Ginto8> go's "types" are simply data
01:03 < Ginto8> but you can attach methods to them if you'd like
01:05 < Gekz> yeah
01:05 < Gekz> it's quite different to what I'm used to, in a good way
01:05 < Ginto8> yep
01:05 < Ginto8> it's more like C than C++ or any other OO languages
01:05 < Ginto8> which I think is a major advantage
01:05 < Gekz> yeah I noticed
01:06 < Gekz> ObjC was the closest thing to a "good" evolution of C
01:06 < Ginto8> but it also has a lot of the good properties of a scripting
language
01:06 < Gekz> but Go seems to have basically nailed it
01:06 < Gekz> yes.
01:06 < Ginto8> C++ is sorta C's bastard child
01:06 < Gekz> although the use of different names for different
architecture's compilers and linkers may become an issue
01:07 < Ginto8> it was a good idea, but it ended up not being half of what
it shoulda been
01:07 < Ginto8> Gekz, not really, especially because of the awesome makefile
system
01:07 < Gekz> oh ok.
01:07 < Gekz> I havent done anything with the Makefile system yet
01:07 < Gekz> nor really had a chance to write anything in Go
01:07 < Ginto8> it's really easy
01:08 < Gekz> I primarilly write code in Python or Java right now
01:08 < Ginto8> include $(GOROOT)/src/Make.$(GOARCH)
01:08 < Ginto8> TARG=packageName
01:08 < Ginto8> GOFILES=sourceFiles
01:08 < Ginto8> include $(GOROOT)/src/Make.pkg
01:08 < Ginto8> that's all you need for a normal project
01:08 < Gekz> nice
01:08 < Ginto8> if you use cgo there's some other stuff too
01:09 < Ginto8> just 2 more vars tho
01:09 < Gekz> is there an xml element tree module for Go yet?
01:09 < Gekz> or SAX
01:09 < Ginto8> hm idk
01:09 < Ginto8> there might be a 3rd party one
01:10 < Ginto8> but I don't think it'll make it into the standard package
lib
01:10 < Gekz> I just checked and didn't see one
01:10 < Ginto8> hm
01:10 < Ginto8> lemme check
01:13 < exch> Gekz: what exactly is it you need?  I've written a package a
while ago that maintains a node tree of an xml document which you can search
through in various ways.  Not sure if this is what you want though.
http://github.com/jteeuwen/go-pkg-xmlx
01:14 < Gekz> exch: basically that.
01:14 < Gekz> :)
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01:18 < exch> It's pretty simplistic, but it shouldn't be too difficult to
extend it with your own needs if necessary
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01:22 < Gekz> exch: I type make and it complains
01:22 < Gekz> haha
01:22 < Gekz> document.go:107: cannot convert tt (type xml.CharData) to type
string
01:22 < Gekz> continues a few more lines
01:23 < exch> mm seems I haven't updated the repo with the changes in to go
api
01:23 < exch> lemme check
01:24 < Gekz> well I'm going to get lunch, be back in 40 minutes
01:24 < exch> One of the disavantages of having go change/progress so fast
:p
01:24 < Ginto8> Gekz, the strength of go's typing requires an explicit cast
01:25 < exch> hmm.  it compiles fine here with the latest build of Go. Are
you up to date?
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01:27 < exch> '$ hg pull -u' in your $GOROOT dir should get you all the new
stuff
01:41 < Gekz> so my lunch was shorter than expected
01:41 < Gekz> haha
01:42 < exch> as long as it was tasty :p
01:42 < Gekz> exch: I installed it two days ago
01:42 < Gekz> recompiling
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03:21 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dtKRk by [Ken Thompson] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/cmd/ -- interpret lines that look like
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03:52 < araujo> :)
03:52 < exch> Gekz: Is it working?
03:53 < Gekz> busy
03:53 < Gekz> working
03:53 < Gekz> lol
03:53 < exch> fair enough :)
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05:41 * MaybeSo sees http://is.gd/dtKRk by [Ken Thompson] and thinks "that is just
so cool..."
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06:11 < Ginto8> MaybeSo: I don't get it
06:11 < Ginto8> what's it do?
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06:59 < MaybeSo> Ginto8: I was just making a comment that it was cool to see
Ken Thompson committing code live...
06:59 < Ginto8> oh
06:59 < Ginto8> ok
07:00 < Ginto8> cuz I had no clue what that code was supposed to do
07:00 < Ginto8> (just lookin at the description)
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07:01 < MaybeSo> looks like maybe it's the parser
07:01 < Ginto8> hm
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07:03 < MaybeSo> geeez, the regex package is painful to use
07:04 < MaybeSo> program run time for parsing 20,000 elements from an xml
document and running a few simple regex on the data took the run time from 0.5
seconds to 2.6 seconds
07:04 < MaybeSo> hand crafted (though less robust) code for the same logic:
0.5 seconds to 0.65 seconds
07:05 < Ginto8> well they did say that the regexp is really only a stopgap
at the moment
07:05 < MaybeSo> yeah
07:05 < MaybeSo> I wish I had enough experience to write a replacement as a
contribution
07:05 < Ginto8> yeah
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07:06 < MaybeSo> I'm half expecting some nutcase to try and contribute a cgo
library for perl.  :D
07:07 < KirkMcDonald> I want to write one for Python, but it is impossible
without callbacks,
07:07 < MaybeSo> ayieee!  :)
07:08 < Ginto8> lol most of that stuff will require a full rewrite in go
07:08 < Ginto8> which would be a bitch
07:09 < jessta> MaybeSo: I think the plan is to port
http://code.google.com/p/re2/
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07:11 < MaybeSo> cool
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07:38 < jnwhiteh> If I have an open CL, and I want to add a file to that
CL..  anyone have a clue how I'd do that?
07:39 < jnwhiteh> nvm
07:39 < Ginto8> my knowledge of acronyms is limited...  what do you mean by
CL?
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07:40 < jnwhiteh> I have no idea what it stands for..  but a propose change
to the core, i.e.  on codereview
07:42 < Ginto8> oh ok
07:44 < jnwhiteh> come to think of it, what *does* CL stand for?  =)
07:44 < napsy_> common lisp
07:44 < Ginto8> code lingo?  citric lemon?
07:44 < jessta> change list
07:44 < Ginto8> ah that sounds right jessta
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08:37 < sauerbraten> how do i link to files at once?  i tried "8l -o gots
main.go gots.go" but that didn't work :/
08:37 < Ginto8> sauerbraten: just use a makefile
08:38 < exch> sauerbraten: 8l is the linker.  it doesnt take .go files
08:38 < exch> try 8g
08:38 < Ginto8> oh yeah
08:38 < Ginto8> 8l takes .8's
08:38 < Ginto8> generated by 8g
08:39 < sauerbraten> i am using this one:
http://paste.pocoo.org/show/238234/
08:39 < sauerbraten> Ginto8: yeah of course .8, i typed it wrong
08:40 < Ginto8> well I find that all the messy linker stuff is much easier
using go's makefiles (by easier, I mean not having to deal with it)
08:40 < jessta> sauerbraten: I think the linker only takes one file at a
file
08:40 < jessta> *at a time
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08:44 < exch> there's that
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08:49 < sauerbraten> ko
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08:49 < sauerbraten> ok
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09:11 < sauerbraten> what's the best website to share Go packages?  like
github and bitbucket and so on?
09:12 < temoto> sauerbraten, i heard golang.org is pretty popular these
days.
09:14 < sauerbraten> temoto: yeah but you can't upload your own apps i mean
09:15 < sauerbraten> http://godashboard.appspot.com/package seems like most
use github....
09:15 < sauerbraten> or googlecode
09:16 < temoto> sauerbraten, godashboard IS the website to share Go
packages.  github, googlecode and bitbucket are code repository, collaboration
tools.
09:16 < sauerbraten> temoto: ok than i mean collaboration tools / code repos
-.-
09:17 < temoto> sauerbraten, Go puts no restrictions on those, it's your
choice.
09:17 < sauerbraten> temoto: i know that's why i ask which one is the best
;)
09:17 < chressie> sauerbraten: take what you want to, but the code hoster
should be supported by goinstall if you want to appear on godashboard
09:17 < sauerbraten> chressie: ok...
09:17 < temoto> sauerbraten, there's not best.  I like git, someone likes
mercurial, someone likes svn.
09:23 < str1ngs> sauerbraten: mecurial is a good dcvs to start with
09:24 < sauerbraten> str1ngs: yes i just signed up at bitbucket, they use
mercurial
09:24 < str1ngs> sauerbraten: I use git myself but its takes abit to get use
too.
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09:26 < str1ngs> that reminds me is goinstall prettey stable even from go
mecurial head.  because it doesnt work on my distro
09:26 < str1ngs> I've just been installing packages by hand mean time.
09:30 < wrtp> sauerbraten: i use google code
09:31 < wrtp> which works pretty well
09:31 < wrtp> and i can use the same codereview extension as go itself if i
want
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10:35 < temoto> str1ngs, i wrote 4 line script to download go packages from
github and make install them.  Kinda replaces goinstall, i guess.
10:38 < str1ngs> thats an Idea.  I'll check stable when I have time.  right
now its easier to use the go repo
10:45 < wrtp> temoto: does it recursively install dependencies?
10:46 < temoto> wrtp, no.
10:46 < wrtp> won't replace goinstall then :-)
10:48 < temoto> wrtp, i wrote it only because i didn't understand how to use
goinstall.
10:49 < str1ngs> should goinstall work from the mercurial head then?
10:52 < chressie> str1ngs: i suppose you use archlinux :) i currently try to
fix the PKGBUILD..  i'll upload it asap, afterwards you should be able to use
goinstall ;)
10:54 < str1ngs> chressie: well I've been using go-hg from aur.  which is
fine by me.  but yes I was thinking goinstall was distro issue I just didnt know
if I should look into it or not.
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11:11 < str1ngs> oh jesh chressie I should have noticed your name in that
PKGBUILD
11:12 < wrtp> temoto: goinstall is very easy to use.  just do goinstall
import-path
11:13 < temoto> wrtp, wtf is import-path?
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11:15 < chressie> str1ngs: hehe..  never mind
11:16 < str1ngs> mecurial related?
11:18 < chressie> import-path means github.com/blah/dreggn or something like
that
11:23 < wrtp> temoto: the path you'd write when you're importing the go
package
11:23 < wrtp> for external packages, the first part of the path is the site
name; the rest references the particular package
11:24 < temoto> import ("github.com/blah/blah") ?
11:24 < temoto> I write import ("httplib").  That path with github.com is
crazy.
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11:30 < chressie> with the path to github.com/user you specify exactly which
third-party package you are expecting, it doesn't look very nice, but hey it's
just one line in the whole file..
11:30 < sauerbraten> someone who could compile my prog for amd64 platforms?
so i can upload the executable to https://bitbucket.org/axle/gots/downloads
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11:34 < chressie> sauerbraten: why don't you update the plain source code?
where's the meaning of having version control with binaries?
11:34 < chressie> s/update/upload/
11:35 < chressie> btw.  this way goinstall won't work
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11:37 < str1ngs> sauerbraten: there is no need they can compile for there
arch
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11:43 < wrtp> temoto: the nice thing about the long import paths is that it
makes it trivial for goinstall to automatically install a library and all its
dependencies, without any extra metadata or config files needed
11:44 < nsf> and it doesn't work with non-trivial libraries :) like Go-SDL,
Go-OpenGL and other Cgo ones probably
11:45 < nsf> that's why I don't like goinstall and don't use it
11:47 < wrtp> that's true, it won't work on libraries that rely on non-go
code
11:47 < wrtp> but lots of libraries don't
11:49 < temoto> sauerbraten, never upload binaries to bitbucket.
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12:12 < str1ngs> go dependacies is 1000x better then C dependacies.  the
fact it does work well with C dependcies is not a surpise since nothing does
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12:12 < str1ngs> does not*
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12:38 < chressie> str1ngs, i updated the aur pkgbuild
<http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=33695> goinstall should work now
(see comment on aur page) please report any issues..
12:40 < str1ngs> chressie: ok will do.  I'll roll the changes into my go-hg
also
12:41 < str1ngs> err go-git
12:42 < str1ngs> /opt/go good idea.  I also noticed an issue with
/etc/profile.d/go.sh and root.
12:43 < chressie> what issue?
12:44 < str1ngs> I dont think root logins sources /etc/profile so go.sh will
not get sourced
12:45 < str1ngs> so something like sudo make install . wont work
12:46 < exch> Yay, more arch linux users \o/
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12:52 < chressie> you can use sudo -E goinstall ...  it worked for me :)
12:53 < exch> Is it really a good idea to yield root privs to a third party
build process?  You never know what kind of messyness goes on in there
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12:55 < Namegduf> Is it really a good idea to run any program you didn't
write yourself as root?
12:55 < Namegduf> You never know what kind of messyness goes on in there
12:55 < exch> exactly
12:56 < str1ngs> well I guess that means not use make install then :P
12:56 < Namegduf> Right.  :P
12:56 < Namegduf> In reality, you need to decide what programs you want to
trust or not, because running people's programs as root is about the only way to
do anything.
12:56 < Sacho> unless they don't need root privs
12:56 < str1ngs> I'll well versed in the dreaded 0
12:58 < exch> In general I tend to accept whatever comes out of the official
arch repos.  When it comes to manual source builds and AUR, i'm a fair bit more
paranoid
12:59 < str1ngs> its not hard to sanity check any source files
12:59 < chressie> i understand the security implications..  i think about
installing the go package with group 'go' permissions, so any user in that group
can install packages system wide
12:59 < str1ngs> chressie: that what I did on thee pgk dir
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13:00 < chressie> okay, i think it should be part of the installation
process so updating does not involve any manual activity
13:01 < str1ngs> chressie: also I wont post this go-git.  I"ll just use it
my self.  better to focus on just go-hg imo
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13:03 < chressie> so you want to make an aur package that installs go from
http://github.com/tav/go ?
13:04 < str1ngs> I have one but I only made it because I had to check an api
change.  and my mecurial skills are not as strong as my git skills
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13:05 < str1ngs> really its the same PKGBUILD as git-gh just converted to
git.  and I had to add the git logic.
13:05 < chressie> ah okay, i see
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13:06 < str1ngs> I can just pull that git repo by hand if I need to check
something.  and keep using go-hg for system install
13:07 < chressie> yeah, i do it similar because i'm more keen on git than
mercurial :)
13:08 < str1ngs> thats how I found the hg hooks in makepkg.
13:09 < str1ngs> I think thats undocumented.
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13:10 < chressie> yeah, that's really weird in makepkg
13:12 < str1ngs> I think its not complete.  but the new way is the right way
13:13 < str1ngs> goinstall does it better though :P
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13:19 < str1ngs> yay goinstall works.  thanks chressie
13:21 < chressie> yeah, but be careful with the packages you install
13:22 < str1ngs> I only really use web.go
13:23 < chressie> nice
13:23 < str1ngs> which I have a fix for but I need to double check it.
13:28 < MaybeSo> anyone know if the 6g/6l tools can be used with gopprof,
e.g., if a profile can be dumped from an executable generated by them if one adds
certain flags during compilation?
13:29 < MaybeSo> oh, 6prof.  never mind.
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15:36 < skelterjohn> anyone ever run into "unsupported Xauth" while trying
to get go/x11 working on os x?
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15:57 < araujo> 'cannot find import "C"' ...
15:57 < araujo> anybody has an idea??
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16:00 < taruti> araujo: are you using cgo?
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16:00 < araujo> yes taruti
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16:01 < taruti> hmm
16:01 < araujo> CGOPKGPATH is pointing to the right binary path too
16:03 < JayWork> Hey guys..  I'm trying to install Go and I'm getting this
error: http://pastie.org/1047419
16:04 < JayWork> Any suggestions on how to fix it?
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16:24 < skelterjohn> JayWork: your go installation most likely works fine
16:25 < skelterjohn> just some of the tests went weird
16:25 < skelterjohn> try compiling and running a simple program
16:25 < JayWork> Oh..  So it actually compiled even though it said failed?
16:26 < skelterjohn> it built the go distribution, and then ran the tests
16:26 < skelterjohn> one of the tests failed
16:26 < skelterjohn> is what i get from reading that snip
16:26 < skelterjohn> so give it a shot
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16:28 < JayWork> Ahh..  indeed
16:28 < JayWork> it works fine on hello world
16:28 < JayWork> now to build an OS in it :D
16:31 < skelterjohn> that's among the more ambitious second go programs i've
heard about
16:31 < skelterjohn> step 1) hello world
16:31 < skelterjohn> step 2) operating system
16:31 < skelterjohn> step 3) ?
16:31 < skelterjohn> step 4) profit!
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16:36 < araujo> mm..  now i get other one..
16:36 < araujo> main.cgo1.go:3: package main; expected mypackage
16:37 < araujo> main.cgo1.go:6: can't find import: mypackage
16:38 < jessta> araujo: using the latest release?
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16:41 < temoto> skelterjohn, 'second go programs' :)
16:42 * araujo finds all the exports/imports in place
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16:43 < skelterjohn> temoto: i feel like you are being nice, but i have no
idea why you quoted me like that :)
16:44 < temoto> skelterjohn, that quote sounds funny to me :)
16:44 < temoto> skelterjohn, like second hand.
16:44 < skelterjohn> lol
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16:52 < araujo> yes jessta
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17:35 < araujo> jessta, any idea??..  this is with latest stable...
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17:37 < jessta> there was some changes to cgo in the lastest stable
17:37 < Ginto8> good changes?
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17:38 < jessta> yeah, it's much nicer
17:38 < Ginto8> nicer in what ways?
17:38 < jessta> araujo: what are you trying to build?
17:38 < jessta> "If you were using _Cstruct_foo or _Ctype_int_t in your
17:38 < jessta> program, you can now say C.struct_foo or C.int_t instead."
17:39 < ampleyfly> was it recent?  did it fix
17:39 < ampleyfly> nsf:s problem?
17:39 < jessta> ampleyfly: what problem was that?
17:40 < araujo> jessta, ooh yes i am using _C_char
17:42 < ampleyfly> I'm not so sure
17:45 < MaybeSo> fuck.  anyone ever deal with this issue w/ go under linux:
http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=146
17:45 < MaybeSo> ?
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18:00 < plexdev> http://is.gd/duB4y by [Ian Lance Taylor] in go/src/cmd/cgo/
-- cgo: If CC is set in environment, use it rather than "gcc".
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18:16 < plexdev> http://is.gd/duCfp by [Ian Lance Taylor] in
go/src/pkg/runtime/ -- Remove unused declaration.
18:17 < plexdev> http://is.gd/duCfr by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/big/ -- big:
attempt to fix arm build
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18:20 < skelterjohn> is there a way to leave comments about github projects?
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18:25 < temoto> skelterjohn, you can write message to author.
18:25 < skelterjohn> yeah, not as exciting
18:25 < temoto> or leave issue if those turned on for that project
18:25 < skelterjohn> leave issue - that sounds better
18:26 < temoto> skelterjohn, message is exciting, trust me.
18:26 < skelterjohn> i don't see an obvious way to report an issue
18:26 < temoto> skelterjohn, even 'watch' is exciting.
18:26 < skelterjohn> ok, i'm starting to get creeped out
18:26 < temoto> skelterjohn, which project?
18:26 < skelterjohn> http://github.com/droundy/gotgo
18:27 < temoto> skelterjohn, it has all features turned off: issues, wiki,
something else.
18:27 < skelterjohn> gotcha
18:27 < temoto> it's configurable in project admin
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19:01 < araujo> inconsistent package names: mypackage, main
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20:05 * araujo wonders if iant is around
20:05 <+iant> I am here briefly
20:06 < araujo> iant, just bit quiet here, and i have some issues i am
trying to figure out, wonder if you could take a look at this error :
20:06 < araujo> inconsistent package names: mypackage, main
20:06 < araujo> <araujo> mm..  now i get other one..
20:06 < araujo> <araujo> main.cgo1.go:3: package main; expected
mypackage
20:06 < araujo> <araujo> main.cgo1.go:6: can't find import: mypackage
20:06 <+iant> somehow you are compiling together .go files in different
packages
20:07 <+iant> when you run 6g, all the .go files have to be in the same
package
20:07 < araujo> oooh ...
20:07 * araujo tests
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20:34 < plexdev> http://is.gd/duLFi by [Ken Thompson] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/cmd/ -- change line pragma from
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22:06 < plexdev> http://is.gd/duRkX by [Rob Pike] in go/src/cmd/gc/ -- fix
typo in lex.c comment
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22:41 < Ginto8_> hey quick question
22:41 < Ginto8_> I just tried compiling my lib on another computer, and it
spits out an odd cgo error
22:41 < Ginto8_> $ make
22:41 < Ginto8_> CGOPKGPATH= /home/tim/bin/cgo events.go window.go gfx.go
texture.go
22:41 < Ginto8_> inconsistent definitions for C.GL_COLOR_BUFFER_BIT
22:41 < Ginto8_> unresolved names
22:41 < Ginto8_> make: *** [_cgo_defun.c] Error 2
22:42 < Ginto8_> this error wasn't there before...  any idea what it could
be?
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22:43 < exch> does this mahcine have the appropriate GL dev libs installed?
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22:43 < Ginto8_> it seems to, but I'll double check
22:49 < Ginto8_> yeah I've got all the correct mesa dev packages
22:50 < exch> hmm
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23:23 < plexdev> http://is.gd/duWXv by [Russ Cox] in 4 subdirs of
go/src/cmd/ -- 5l, 6l, 8l: reject invalid input files
23:26 < MaybeSo> anyone know if there are Nice Go Libraries which wrap the
lower level syscall.Fcntl/syscall.Flock stuff ?
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