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01:52 -!- dublisk [~dublisk@CPEc03f0ee1cc39-CM001947573208.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:58 -!- Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has joined #go-nuts 01:58 -!- angasule [~angasule@190.2.33.49] has joined #go-nuts 02:04 -!- yogib [~yogib@dslb-188-100-012-059.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: yogib] 02:20 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-177-187.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 02:23 -!- gridaphobe [~gridaphob@cpe-74-68-151-24.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:28 -!- chomp [~chomp@c-67-186-35-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:37 -!- ccc1 [~Adium@118-166-211-12.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:40 -!- Wiz126 [~Wiz@24.229.245.72.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:44 -!- iXeno [~ixeno@106.80-203-229.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:44 -!- iXeno [~ixeno@106.80-203-229.nextgentel.com] has joined #go-nuts 02:55 -!- JakeyChan [~JakeyChan@118.132.214.248] has joined #go-nuts 02:58 -!- allengeorge [~allengeor@c-67-188-178-118.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:05 < jessta> knowmercy: I don't imagine there would be much difference 03:05 < knowmercy> :) 03:10 -!- Dr_Who [~tgall_foo@linaro/tgall-foo] has joined #go-nuts 03:15 -!- Dr_Who [~tgall_foo@linaro/tgall-foo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:16 -!- Dr_Who [~tgall_foo@linaro/tgall-foo] has joined #go-nuts 03:19 -!- avelino [~avelino@unaffiliated/avelino] has joined #go-nuts 03:20 -!- franciscosouza [~francisco@187.105.21.97] has joined #go-nuts 03:20 -!- dublisk [~dublisk@CPEc03f0ee1cc39-CM001947573208.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #go-nuts 03:22 -!- Dr_Who [~tgall_foo@linaro/tgall-foo] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:27 -!- boscop [~unknown@dyndsl-091-096-238-188.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #go-nuts 03:28 -!- magn3ts [~magn3ts@ip68-103-225-65.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:29 -!- Argue [~Argue@112.201.133.68] has joined #go-nuts 03:32 -!- boscop [~unknown@dyndsl-091-096-238-188.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Changing host] 03:32 -!- boscop [~unknown@unaffiliated/boscop] has joined #go-nuts 03:35 -!- Dr_Who [~tgall_foo@linaro/tgall-foo] has joined #go-nuts 03:52 -!- ccc1 [~Adium@42-72-196-134.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:53 -!- qeed [~qeed@adsl-98-85-42-19.mco.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:57 -!- Dr_Who [~tgall_foo@linaro/tgall-foo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:58 -!- aat [~aat@cpe-72-225-174-173.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 04:06 -!- chadkouse [~Adium@rrcs-74-218-87-242.central.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:10 -!- mustelo [~james@c-71-202-182-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:22 -!- aat [~aat@cpe-72-225-174-173.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 04:37 -!- kergoth [~kergoth@ip24-251-173-232.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 04:40 -!- sacho [~sacho@90.154.219.54] has joined #go-nuts 04:42 -!- smw [~stephen@unaffiliated/smw] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:47 -!- ccc1 [~Adium@42-72-196-134.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:54 < f2f> uriel, check out "squinting at power series" again. pike has a good tail-call solution there with the 'become' operator. i admit i haven't seen a need for it. i don't know if they even considered it for go. "go is not scheme" is another quote from rsc to add to the above ones :) 04:56 -!- dreadlorde [~dreadlord@c-68-42-82-10.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:56 < f2f> hah, s/pike/mcilroy/ sorry. the language is still pike's newsqueak. 04:59 -!- smw [~stephen@pool-108-0-251-119.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:59 -!- smw [~stephen@pool-108-0-251-119.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:59 -!- smw [~stephen@unaffiliated/smw] has joined #go-nuts 05:02 < f2f> smw, http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nocloakonjoin 05:03 < smw> f2f, why did you send me that? 05:04 < f2f> because every time you join you first have your normal IP, then quit and then rejoin again using the cloak. it's mildly annoying on the channel, but you also probably don't want to have your real ip exposed. 05:04 < f2f> here's what everybody sees: 05:04 < f2f> 22:59 *** smw [~stephen@pool-108-0-251-119.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:04 < f2f> 22:59 *** smw [~stephen@pool-108-0-251-119.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 05:04 < f2f> 22:59 *** smw [~stephen@unaffiliated/smw] has joined #go-nuts 05:05 < smw> f2f, everyone sees me quit and then rejoin? 05:06 < smw> f2f, I will fix that :-) 05:06 < smw> f2f, if it was just people seeing my real ip, I would have just ignored it 05:06 -!- mustelo [~james@c-71-202-182-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #go-nuts ["Ex-Chat"] 05:06 < smw> f2f, what should I set the delay to? 05:06 < f2f> no, it's join/quit/join. so you join twice :) 05:07 < f2f> i don't know. second or two? i'm not using the cloak so i don't know what current response times are. 05:07 -!- twolfe18 [~twolfe18@c-69-244-125-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:10 -!- moraes [~moraes@189.103.188.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:13 -!- rcrowley [~rcrowley@c-71-202-44-233.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 05:28 -!- dublisk [~dublisk@CPEc03f0ee1cc39-CM001947573208.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:39 -!- twolfe18 [~twolfe18@c-69-244-125-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: twolfe18] 05:39 -!- dreadlorde [~dreadlord@c-68-42-82-10.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:41 -!- c00w [~colin@97-112-204-183.frgo.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 05:49 -!- twolfe18 [~twolfe18@c-69-244-125-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:49 -!- shoenig [~shoenig@173-8-182-114-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:55 -!- kergoth [~kergoth@ip24-251-173-232.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:02 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:06 -!- dmg [~dmg@ip56513def.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #go-nuts 06:06 < dmg> I've submitted my lzo bindings to the Go Dashboard. Should I do anything else? 06:07 < dmg> Is there a link on go packaging I should read and make sure my code is conformant to? 06:13 -!- franciscosouza [~francisco@187.105.21.97] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:14 -!- franciscosouza [~francisco@187.105.21.97] has joined #go-nuts 06:15 < jessta> dmg: doesn't it goinstall? 06:19 -!- MorningSon [~MorningSo@cpe-70-117-27-48.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0] 06:24 < chilts> if I want to be sure that each developer has the right versions of libraries, I'm probably going to put them inside my code tree (rather than using goinstall) ... so how would I import something like 'github.com/bradfitz/memcache'? 06:25 < chilts> e.g. I have program.go and github.com/bradfitz/memcache/memcache.go 06:25 -!- ShadowIce [~pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044] has joined #go-nuts 06:25 < chilts> import ( memcache "github.com/bradfitz/memcache/memcache" ) 06:26 -!- mrsrikanth [~mrsrikant@59.92.57.168] has joined #go-nuts 06:27 -!- photron [~photron@port-92-201-152-114.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts 06:27 < chomp> well that's exactly how you'd import it (though the first "memcache" is superfluous), but do you mean you want to import a specific state of that repository? 06:29 < chilts> yeah, let's say he changes it, well I want to be sure each developer has the same version installed 06:29 < chilts> and we upgrade it together ... so by doing that we're all using the same code 06:31 < jessta> chilts: the import declaration refers to a directory with the package tree. 06:31 -!- twolfe18 [~twolfe18@c-69-244-125-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: twolfe18] 06:32 < jessta> if you want a single version then just fetch that version, put it in the same relative directory and point the complier/linker at that directory 06:32 < chilts> so I need to do something extra than just import path/to/module, even though it's in the same directory? 06:33 -!- Kumul [~Kumul@cvx-ppp-66-50-136-199.coqui.net] has quit [Quit: gone] 06:33 < chomp> generally if you depend on a specific version, you want to package it with your code 06:33 < chilts> yep, that's what I'm doing 06:33 < chilts> I just can't get it to see it when doing '6g program.go' 06:33 < chilts> can't find import: github.com/bradfitz/gomemcache/memcache 06:33 < chomp> you should look into a build tool like gb 06:33 < chilts> ok ... but still, I should just be able to get it to compile? :) 06:33 < chomp> that sort of package signature will not work if you're bundling the pacakge with your project 06:33 < jessta> chilts: 6g -I path/to/packages 06:34 < chomp> bi 06:34 < chomp> mp* 06:34 < chilts> ah, I'll try that ... thanks 06:34 < chomp> wow typing fail. i meant "no" :) 06:44 < chilts> ok, I had to compile that first inside it's own directory ... and renamed _go_.6 to memcache.go 06:44 < chilts> then had to tell go that it is a relative path, with "./path/to/memcache" 06:44 < chilts> ie. ./ made it work 06:44 < chilts> thanks all 06:50 -!- allengeorge [~allengeor@c-67-188-178-118.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: allengeorge] 06:57 < dmg> chilts: Is there anything weird I have to do to support goinstall? 06:58 -!- zozoR [~Morten@2906ds2-arno.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #go-nuts 07:02 < dmg> chilts: goinstall seemed to work. 07:02 < dmg> easy enough. 07:03 < chilts> sorry, I don't know enough yet to comment I'm afraid :) 07:16 -!- Kahvi [559ce99a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.156.233.154] has joined #go-nuts 07:20 -!- wallerdev [~wallerdev@c-68-60-43-43.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: wallerdev] 07:22 -!- alehorst [~alehorst@201.47.13.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:23 -!- alehorst [~alehorst@201.47.13.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #go-nuts 07:30 -!- wallerdev [~wallerdev@c-68-60-43-43.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 07:30 < jessta> dmg: goinstall only works if you have only files for a single package in one directory 07:30 < jessta> it's nice to have to directory be the same name as the package name 07:31 < jessta> it's nice to provide documentation and it's nice to gofmt code 07:34 -!- |Craig| [~|Craig|@panda3d/entropy] has quit [Quit: |Craig|] 07:35 -!- a2800276 [~a2800276@node-cp6.camp.ccc.de] has joined #go-nuts 07:42 -!- Soak [Soak@gas45-5-88-182-12-78.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 07:47 -!- bthomson [~bthomson@c-68-33-5-232.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3-dev] 07:49 -!- espeed [~espeed@63.246.231.57] has joined #go-nuts 07:58 -!- kergoth [~kergoth@ip24-251-173-232.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:12 -!- yogib [~yogib@dslb-188-100-000-136.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #go-nuts 08:23 -!- Fish- [~Fish@bus77-2-82-244-150-190.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #go-nuts 08:40 -!- ccc1 [~Adium@118-166-211-12.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #go-nuts 08:44 -!- wallerdev [~wallerdev@c-68-60-43-43.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:44 -!- a2800276 [~a2800276@node-cp6.camp.ccc.de] has quit [Quit: a2800276] 08:44 -!- btipling [~btipling@unaffiliated/sk/x-5968384] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 08:45 -!- wallerdev [~wallerdev@c-68-60-43-43.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 09:02 -!- Solak [~stijnw@cthia.xs4all.nl] has joined #go-nuts 09:06 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #go-nuts 09:11 -!- erus` [~chatzilla@cpc2-gill2-0-0-cust701.basl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #go-nuts 09:30 -!- wallerdev_ [~wallerdev@c-68-60-43-43.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 09:31 -!- wallerdev [~wallerdev@c-68-60-43-43.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:32 -!- Fish- [~Fish@bus77-2-82-244-150-190.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 09:33 < dmg> jessta: all my source is in a single directory, so I'm fine there. I was running gofmt during development, so that's good too. I'll just look into godoc I guess. 10:03 -!- wrtp [~rog@host-92-23-138-50.as13285.net] has joined #go-nuts 10:09 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-177-187.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 10:16 -!- ccc1 [~Adium@118-166-211-12.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:17 < wrtp> smw: you can scan into a big 10:20 < Argue> there's no way to do type Foo interface { Compare(same type as this Foo) int; } is there 10:21 -!- Boscop [~unknown@unaffiliated/boscop] has quit [Quit: meow] 10:25 -!- shoenig [~shoenig@173-8-182-114-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #go-nuts 10:36 -!- rejb [~rejb@unaffiliated/rejb] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:36 < jessta> Argue: nope 10:37 < jessta> you can only do, type Foo interface{ Compare(Foo) int;} 10:38 -!- rejb [~rejb@unaffiliated/rejb] has joined #go-nuts 10:38 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has joined #go-nuts 10:41 -!- exch [~blbl@87.209.181.34] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:45 -!- exch [~blbl@ip34-181-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #go-nuts 10:47 -!- yogib [~yogib@dslb-188-100-000-136.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: yogib] 10:48 < uriel> f2f: I think Alef had something like become (but I never wrote alef), but given it was left out of Limbo and Go, there probably must have turned out not to be that useful? 10:49 < Argue> yeah thought so. ah well :[ 10:49 -!- zozoR [~Morten@2906ds2-arno.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51 -!- moraes [~moraes@189.103.188.201] has joined #go-nuts 10:58 -!- jstemmer [~cheetah@mrpwn.stemmertech.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:06 -!- jstemmer [~cheetah@mrpwn.stemmertech.com] has joined #go-nuts 11:09 < Kahvi> What kind of web apps benefit from using Go instead of PHP/Django/ASP.NET/Something? Or is it just matter of preference? 11:12 < uriel> any apps that you want to write in a language that is not a horrible mess? 11:13 -!- nekoh [~nekoh@dslb-088-069-152-201.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #go-nuts 11:13 < moraes> to be honest, go is still infant in terms of web libraries. 11:13 < moraes> also, django is not a language. 11:14 < moraes> :P 11:15 < uriel> nor is ASP.NET, or PHP (;P) 11:15 < vegai> django is pretty nice, though 11:16 < vegai> just replaced with a colleague a java clusterfuck in two weeks with django 11:16 < moraes> but go will will kick ass in terms of web libraries. 11:24 < uriel> django is fucking awful 11:25 < uriel> not as bad as RoR, but that is not saying much 11:28 -!- arun_ [~arun@unaffiliated/sindian] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:41 -!- arun_ [~arun@unaffiliated/sindian] has joined #go-nuts 11:52 -!- tvw [~tv@e176023043.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 11:56 -!- ccc1 [~Adium@140.109.98.187] has joined #go-nuts 12:01 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has joined #go-nuts 12:02 < nsf> uhm, I started to work on experimental project 'diego' (a Go I/O lib port to D) 12:02 < nsf> and I've noticed one thing in io.go 12:02 < nsf> / ErrShortWrite means that a write accepted fewer bytes than requested 12:02 < nsf> / but failed to return an explicit error. 12:02 < aiju> what's up? 12:02 < nsf> but Writer interface explicitly says: Write must return a non-nil error if it returns n < len(p). 12:02 < nsf> so.. I don't get it 12:03 < aiju> nsf: UNIX syscalls don't provide an error message in that case 12:03 < aiju> no code like EIO or EINVAL 12:03 < nsf> aiju: who cares 12:03 < aiju> so the generic ErrShortWrite is used 12:03 < nsf> if someone can't implement Writer interface 12:03 < nsf> it's their problem 12:03 < nsf> it _must_ return non-nil 12:03 < aiju> nsf: you're reading the message wrong 12:03 < aiju> s/message/comment 12:04 < aiju> it returns n, ErrShortWrite 12:04 < nsf> correct me then 12:04 < aiju> not n, nil 12:04 < nsf> aiju: ok, I should explain why I'm conserned 12:04 < aiju> ErrShortWrite is not considered "explicit" since it doesn't give any information about what went wrong 12:04 < nsf> there is a Copy function 12:04 < nsf> which basically checks 12:04 < nsf> if Writer returned less than bytes in a buffer argument, return ErrShortWrite 12:05 < nsf> but according to Writer spec it cannot happen 12:05 < aiju> what can't happen? 12:05 < nsf> well it can 12:05 < nsf> but few lines before that 12:05 < nsf> error is being checked 12:06 < nsf> so, practically there is dead code 12:06 < aiju> yes 12:06 < nsf> in io.Copy 12:06 < aiju> it's called "writing programs which don't blow up on every other occasion" ;P 12:06 < nsf> line 341 12:06 < nsf> ok 12:06 < aiju> might also be a relict of earlier times 12:06 < nsf> I'll just put assert there 12:06 < nsf> I forgot Go doesn't have asserts 12:06 < aiju> thank god for that 12:08 < jlaffaye> I like asserts 12:09 < nsf> jlaffaye: you just don't know aiju, he dislikes more things than you can imagine 12:09 < nsf> :D 12:10 < jlaffaye> ;) 12:10 < aiju> programming is serious business 12:10 < aiju> no place for hippie lovefests 12:10 < uriel> nsf: I'd post to the dev list about this 12:10 < uriel> aiju: hahaha 12:11 < jlaffaye> I guess I use assert in C in the same case you would use if blah { panic } in go 12:11 < nsf> uriel: well, aiju convinced me that maybe it's just a bullet-proof piece of code 12:11 < nsf> in case if someone implements Writer wrong 12:11 < uriel> nsf: never hurts checking with the horse's mouth 12:12 < nsf> these are just 4 lines of code that don't do anything horrible 12:12 < nsf> I'm too lazy to post that on the ML :) 12:13 < nsf> does anyone want to know how it looks in D? 12:13 < nsf> http://pastie.org/2365679 12:13 < nsf> :D 12:13 < aiju> abstract string to_string() const; 12:13 < nsf> :D 12:14 < aiju> returning structs is ugly in these cases 12:14 < nsf> I know 12:14 < nsf> I've tried different options 12:14 < nsf> like passing a pointer to Error as a last argument 12:14 < nsf> defaulting to null 12:14 < nsf> and throwing exception 12:14 -!- tvw [~tv@e176023043.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:14 < nsf> but ugh.. structs are actually not that bad 12:15 < aiju> pointer seems like the best idea 12:15 < nsf> aiju: it looks better as an interface, but when you're actually using it 12:15 < nsf> not so much 12:16 < nsf> create a var, pass it to func, check its value 12:16 < aiju> why? 12:16 < nsf> and with struct you just have r.error 12:16 < nsf> and r.n 12:17 -!- nekoh [~nekoh@dslb-088-069-152-201.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:17 -!- Kahvi_ [559ce99a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.156.233.154] has joined #go-nuts 12:18 -!- Kahvi [559ce99a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.156.233.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:18 -!- avelino [~avelino@unaffiliated/avelino] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:19 < nsf> ah, there is a feature in D, Go slices may benefit from 12:19 < nsf> $ symbol as a shortcut to len(slice) 12:20 < nsf> x := slice[$-5:$] 12:20 < nsf> five elements from the end 12:20 < nsf> it's better than [:] 12:20 < aiju> that seems like an ugly feature 12:20 < nsf> because it's explicit 12:20 < nsf> and you can do math 12:21 < aiju> so there is some magic in the parser to recognize such expressions? 12:21 < aiju> does $ refer to the innermost []? 12:21 < nsf> well, it's D 12:21 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an array with a larger capacity? does it change the underlying array or does it change the value in the array (and as such for all other slices with the same array)? 17:38 < aiju> s|k: it uses the underlying array 17:38 < s|k> hrm 17:39 -!- moraes [~moraes@189.103.188.201] has joined #go-nuts 17:39 < s|k> so copy is just the same as using [0:] ? 17:39 < aiju> no 17:39 < s|k> what's the difference? 17:39 < aiju> [:] doesn't copy the underlying data 17:40 < s|k> I'm not sure I understand the difference 17:40 < jessta> s|k: copy() is for copying between slices, not copying a slice 17:40 < s|k> ohhh 17:41 < s|k> so what about appending to a slice that is a subset of a larger array? 17:41 < s|k> does that change the value of the index of len(slice)+1 in the array or create a new underlying array? 17:41 < aiju> it changes the value of len 17:42 < s|k> I'm going to test this 17:42 < s|k> thanks 17:43 < jessta> s|k: http://golang.org/doc/go_spec.html#Appending_and_copying_slices 17:43 < jessta> the spec is pretty clear 17:44 < s|k> " Thus, the returned slice may refer to a different underlying array." 17:44 < s|k> it says 'may' 17:44 < aiju> s|k: read the entire sentence 17:44 < aiju> s/sentence/paragraph 17:44 < s|k> heh 17:44 < s|k> yes you are right 17:44 < s|k> ok got it 17:45 < s|k> I have been reading the specification for a long time 17:45 < s|k> I should take a break 17:45 < aiju> possibly too long 17:46 -!- avelino [~avelino@unaffiliated/avelino] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:49 -!- shoenig [~shoenig@207.239.83.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:51 -!- avelino [~avelino@unaffiliated/avelino] has joined #go-nuts 17:53 -!- kergoth [~kergoth@ip24-251-173-232.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:53 -!- Fish- [~Fish@bus77-2-82-244-150-190.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:10 -!- allengeorge [~allengeor@c-67-188-178-118.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:13 -!- ronnyy [~quassel@p4FF1C1B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has 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moraes> hm. is it something horrible to do? 18:30 < aiju> hm odd 18:30 < aiju> the runtime uses the symbol table to get function names 18:31 < aiju> it should be exposed in a more direct way somewhere else … 18:31 < aiju> http://golang.org/pkg/runtime/#Func.FuncForPC 18:31 < aiju> there you go 18:31 < moraes> thank you, sir. 18:41 -!- allengeorge [~allengeor@c-67-188-178-118.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:41 -!- allengeorge [~allengeor@c-67-188-178-118.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:45 -!- flaguy48 [~gmallard@user-0c6s350.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #go-nuts 18:46 -!- a2800276 [~a2800276@node-cp6.camp.ccc.de] has joined #go-nuts 18:49 -!- ronnyy [~quassel@p4FF1C1B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:52 -!- ccc [~macroron@c-76-26-54-186.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:56 -!- zozoR [~Morten@2906ds2-arno.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:58 -!- arun_ 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