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to be two SDL bindings around 16:40 < skelterjohn> oh good, then i have a question 16:40 < skelterjohn> which one is better? 16:41 < skelterjohn> i'm trying to use the one that is paired with an OpenGL binding 16:41 < dho> morning. 16:41 < skelterjohn> which is why i want it in the first place 16:41 < Tigge> well, one also have bindings to sdl_image and sdl_mixer iirc 16:41 < skelterjohn> hey devon 16:41 * dho has been absent a while 16:41 < dho> home issues. 16:41 < skelterjohn> i'd been out a while too... conference deadline issues 16:41 < dho> want to switch? :\ 16:41 < Tigge> http://github.com/banthar/Go-SDL 16:41 < Tigge> this is one 16:42 < skelterjohn> that's the one i'm trying to use 16:42 < skelterjohn> dho: not really - the deadline was tuesday 6am 16:42 < skelterjohn> so it's over 16:42 < skelterjohn> and i have an icml submission i'm pretty happy with 16:42 < dho> yes, I'd rather have that ;) 16:42 < skelterjohn> Tigge: newb question...i have git installed (can use it from the command line) 16:42 < skelterjohn> how do i pull that repo? 16:42 < skelterjohn> the tutorial is... 16:43 < dho> skelterjohn: it's listed 16:43 < skelterjohn> well...not in the order i'd hope for 16:43 < dho> right on the page 16:43 < skelterjohn> i see "git://github.com/banthar/Go-SDL.git" 16:43 < dho> you just do git clone git://github.com/banthar/Go-SDL.git or whatever the clone equiv is. 16:43 < skelterjohn> if i do something like "git checkout git://github.com/banthar/Go-SDL.git" 16:43 < skelterjohn> it tells me that it's not a git repo 16:43 < skelterjohn> clone you say 16:43 < dho> yes 16:44 < dho> clone is the right thing to use 16:44 < skelterjohn> that is downloading stuff, thanks 16:44 < dho> np 16:45 < Tigge> git clone yes 16:45 < Tigge> sorry, was a bit slow :) 16:45 < Tigge> and now I go afk 16:45 * dho plays with http file uploaders. 16:45 < Tigge> but you can pm if you have any questions 16:46 -!- trickie [~trickie@94.100.112.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 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string(strings.Bytes(s[x:y])) 17:55 < anticw> yeah, that would be my suggestion 17:55 -!- ollins [~ollins@84-73-206-133.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #go-nuts 17:55 < wrtp> i wondered if there was a way that didn't do two allocations 17:56 < wrtp> (given that only one is necessary) 17:56 < anticw> both are necessary though 17:56 < anticw> unless you do something with unsafe 17:58 < wrtp> in C, it would just be malloc, memcpy 17:58 < anticw> c strings are mutable 17:58 < anticw> so you make a mutable copy of the part you want and then the string is constructed from that as immutable 17:58 < wrtp> yes - i just thought there might be a little bit of the language that i hadn't seen that did a by-value copy of the string 17:59 < sstangl> wrtp: you mean memmove; realloc 17:59 < wrtp> sstangl: memmove or memcpy would do fine. and malloc not realloc since i'm allocating a new piece of memory 18:00 < wrtp> i think that strings.Copy() might be worth having 18:00 < skelterjohn> then you'd just have two of those GB sized strings 18:01 < skelterjohn> that are exactly the same 18:01 < wrtp> skelterjohn: no. strings.Copy(gbsizedstring[0:3]) 18:01 < skelterjohn> didn't see the 's' on 'strings' 18:02 < skelterjohn> how is that different than strings.Bytes(gbsizedstring[0:3]) 18:02 < wrtp> because it would return a string, not an array of bytes 18:02 < anticw> both return strings 18:02 < anticw> well, strings(...) around the latter as KirkMcDonald suggested 18:03 < anticw> i dont think the copies matter, the allocations ... maybe 18:03 < wrtp> strings.Bytes returns an array of bytes as the name suggests 18:03 < wrtp> putting a string around the strings.Bytes() does an extra alloc & copy 18:04 < wrtp> and the copy isn't very efficient either 18:04 < anticw> did you measure it? 18:04 < wrtp> unlike the built-in copy function, which can use memcpy 18:04 < wrtp> well, it's a simple unrolled loop 18:05 < wrtp> i mean, not-unrolled 18:05 < anticw> so? 18:05 < anticw> cpus are sick fast and if it's hot-cache i doubt it costs much 18:05 < wrtp> i wonder 18:05 -!- wuehlmaus [~wuehlmaus@p4FCC7197.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:05 -!- bortzmeyer [~stephane@2a01:e35:8bd9:8bb0:1d34:cde6:8d15:82a0] has joined #go-nuts 18:05 < skelterjohn> faster hardware is not the answer to code inefficiency 18:06 < skelterjohn> better code is 18:06 < skelterjohn> it's a valid concern 18:06 < anticw> it's a matter of practical balance ... if this happens a LOT then the runtime could be 'enhanced' to avoid a second copy and allocation 18:06 < anticw> it's not clear that's necessary yet 18:07 < skelterjohn> always good to think in the limit 18:07 < wrtp> anticw: i don't think that's possible without having a primitive that maps to the combined operation 18:08 < wrtp> ... which is what i'm thinking about 18:08 -!- emelpy [~cmadd@S010600226b803196.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:08 < skelterjohn> the compiler can optimize string(strings.Bytes(astring[lo:ho])) if it wants 18:08 < wrtp> if there's really no advantage, then why is memmove coded as assembly? 18:09 < skelterjohn> but having something that just makes a string would be nice 18:09 < wrtp> skelterjohn: it would have to privilege the strings package if it did 18:09 < wrtp> unless some serious interprocedural optimisation was going on 18:10 < skelterjohn> not sure what that means, but it's an easy pattern to match 18:10 < wrtp> but "strings" isn't special - i could have another package named strings with a Bytes function that did something different 18:10 < wrtp> (for which the optimisation would be invalid) 18:11 < skelterjohn> right 18:11 < skelterjohn> if string(x) makes a copy, what about string(theBigString[lo:hi]) 18:12 < skelterjohn> would that copy? 18:12 < dho> what's wrong with newstring := bigString[0:3]? 18:12 < dho> that already copies. 18:13 < wrtp> dho: i didn't think it did 18:13 < skelterjohn> he wants the bigString to be collected, and i think the assumption is that bigString[0:3] is a slice 18:13 < skelterjohn> is that assumption wrong? 18:13 < wrtp> isn't a string just like a slice except immutable? 18:13 < dho> a slice of a string is still a string, it is not []byte or []somesubsetofstring 18:14 < skelterjohn> semantically, it's clear 18:14 < wrtp> yes, but it doesn't copy the underlying bytes, so the original string is still reachable 18:14 < skelterjohn> the issue is whether or not the larger string can be collected 18:14 < dho> Ok, I see. 18:14 < skelterjohn> afaik, if there is a slice of an array somewhere, that entire array will remain in memory 18:14 <+iant> that is true 18:15 < skelterjohn> so what about "littleString := string(bigString[lo:hi])" 18:15 < skelterjohn> would that make exactly one copy? 18:15 < wrtp> if, for instance i'm reading many files into memory as single strings (not a bad way of doing it) and processing them by cutting out occasional fragments, i'm going to generate a lot more garbage than i want 18:15 <+iant> skelterjohn: I don't think that will make any copies at all 18:15 < wrtp> skelterjohn: you can't do that 18:15 < wrtp> i think string("hello") is invalid 18:16 < wrtp> or it's a no-op if not 18:16 <+iant> wrtp: no, that is OK, it is no-op 18:16 <+iant> as you said 18:16 <+iant> wrtp: why not read the files into a []byte anyhow? 18:16 < skelterjohn> so if you pass string() an array of bytes, does it copy those? 18:16 < wrtp> skelterjohn: yes 18:16 < skelterjohn> or just slice the bytes 18:16 <+iant> yes 18:17 < wrtp> it must 18:17 <+iant> it has to copy them, because the []byte might change, but the string must be immutable 18:17 -!- tomestla [~tom@AToulouse-151-1-35-99.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #go-nuts 18:17 <+iant> as the language defines them 18:17 < wrtp> iant: yeah, that's probably the way you'd do it. but there are times when string processing is nicer 18:17 < dho> on that point, there's a thread in the ML about using syscall.Mmap to read in files to a []byte 18:18 < wrtp> iant: just because of the immutable properties 18:18 < dho> wrtp: you can convert a byte slice to a string 18:18 < wrtp> dho: yes, with a copy 18:18 < dho> :) 18:18 <+iant> to read a file into a string, you must in effect read into a []byte and then copy it into a string anyhow 18:19 < wrtp> iant: that's true. but it's nice to pass strings around, because then you know that nobody can modify them. 18:19 <+iant> true 18:19 < wrtp> particularly in a concurrent environment 18:20 < wrtp> it was only a passing thought anyway. i just wondered if i'd missed something. 18:21 < dho> Nope, don't think so 18:21 < dho> Can't be *that* hard to implement a strings.Copy 18:22 < wrtp> it'd be very easy - but difficult to do well without language support 18:23 < dho> You're probably not going to be able to put a C file in strings, but I think it should be possible to add a copy to runtime, for instance. 18:23 < wrtp> yeah, that's the kind of thing i was thinking ogf 18:23 < wrtp> s/ogf/of/ 18:23 < dho> (and by not going to be able to, I mean such a patch is probably less likely to be accepted) 18:23 < wrtp> theoretically, you could make copy(s) return a copy of s, but it would be ugly as sin 18:26 < skelterjohn> honestly, a clone(obj) that does a shallow copy of an arbitrarily typed object would be pretty useful 18:26 <+iant> skelterjohn: you could write that with the reflect package 18:27 < skelterjohn> but something that takes and returns type T 18:27 < skelterjohn> need generics 18:27 <+iant> true, it would return interface{} 18:27 < wrtp> skelterjohn: x := new(T); *x = *oldobj 18:27 < wrtp> gets you a reasonable way 18:27 < skelterjohn> how about if T = "string" 18:27 -!- res [~res@unaffiliated/res] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:27 <+iant> you can copy a string with a small inefficiency via (" " + s)[1:] 18:28 < wrtp> :-) 18:28 < wrtp> like it 18:28 <+iant> actually ""+s might work with no inefficiency.... 18:28 < skelterjohn> does ""+s compile away? 18:28 <+iant> dunno 18:28 < wrtp> difficult to tell - i was hoping recently that %p would work on strings 18:29 -!- res [~res@unaffiliated/res] has joined #go-nuts 18:30 < anticw> iant: nice, ""+s is cute 18:30 -!- Gracenotes [~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:30 < dho> wow 18:30 -!- rndbot [~bot@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:31 < dho> iant: devilishly disgusting :) 18:31 <+iant> you could for sure copy a string via func() string { return "" }() + s 18:31 < anticw> can you really sure some distant future compiler won't optimize that away? 18:31 < skelterjohn> since strings are immutable, i can definitely see the + operator checking the length of either string... 18:32 <+iant> anticw: true, OK, most that function into a different package.... 18:32 <+iant> skelterjohn: hmmm, that is a good point 18:32 < wrtp> i think it would be reasonable to say that ""+s is never a no-op when s is a slice 18:32 < anticw> iant: distant future toolchain then :-) 18:33 < wrtp> ah, but you can't tell when s is a slice. hmm. 18:34 < skelterjohn> so, for the cgo experts in the house... i'm trying to get Go-SDL working... http://pastebin.com/m66f98f5c 18:34 * dho looks 18:34 < skelterjohn> the type *Surface is used in the .go file, and defined in the C headers 18:34 < skelterjohn> well let me double check that 2nd assertion i just made 18:35 < skelterjohn> headers define SDL_Surface... 18:35 < skelterjohn> how did Go-SDL work anywhere? grar 18:35 < dho> he's always finding cgo bugs 18:35 < dho> and making me fix then 18:35 < dho> m 18:36 < dho> gimme a sec 18:36 < skelterjohn> the Go-SDL guy? 18:36 < dho> yeah 18:36 -!- res [~res@unaffiliated/res] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:36 < wrtp> iant: in gc at least, "" + s is always a no-op regardless of where the empty string comes from 18:37 -!- res [~res@unaffiliated/res] has joined #go-nuts 18:37 < skelterjohn> it checks length? 18:37 < wrtp> so you'd need to do the (" " + s)[1:] trick 18:37 < wrtp> skelterjohn: yes 18:37 <+iant> alas 18:37 < skelterjohn> cool 18:37 < wrtp> see catstring in gc/string.cgo 18:37 < dho> i wish i understood compilers. 18:38 < dho> great. 18:39 < dho> my sdl bundle doesn't install an sdl.pc. 18:39 < wrtp> it's interesting that the string.cgo has alternate copying implementations 18:41 < wrtp> oops misinformation above: it's in runtime/string.cgo 18:41 < wuehlmaus> good evening 18:42 < wuehlmaus> morning/midday, you name it 18:43 -!- res [~res@unaffiliated/res] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:45 -!- b00m_chef [~watr@d64-180-45-230.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:49 -!- res [~res@unaffiliated/res] has joined #go-nuts 18:54 < chickamade> anyone having 4 CPUs and a minute to experiment? 18:54 -!- path[l] [UPP@120.138.102.34] has joined #go-nuts 18:55 < chickamade> I wondering if this Go program http://github.com/aht/gosieve/blob/master/sieve2.go run faster with 4 than with 2 CPUs 18:55 < dho> yes 18:56 < chickamade> compile and run ./sieve2 -ncpu 2 -n 1000000 vs ./sieve2 -ncpu 4 -n 1000000 18:56 < chickamade> thanls 18:56 < dho> np. 18:56 < chickamade> s/l/k/ 18:57 < LuitvD> :P 18:57 -!- plainhao [~plainhao@mail.xbiotica.com] has quit [Quit: plainhao] 18:57 < dho> takes a while to run with a million iterations; one sec. 18:58 -!- res [~res@unaffiliated/res] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:58 < chickamade> it should take about tens of seconds for one iteration 18:59 < dho> real 0m48.852s 18:59 < chickamade> so best of 3 would be more than enough 18:59 < dho> with 2 18:59 < dho> real 0m32.327s 18:59 < dho> with 4 18:59 < chickamade> cool 18:59 -!- res [~res@unaffiliated/res] has joined #go-nuts 18:59 < chickamade> and what's ./sieve2 -n 1000000 18:59 < chickamade> have you got more CPUs left :p? 19:00 < dho> nope, quad proc machine 19:00 < dho> real 0m13.219s 19:01 -!- Demp [~Demp@bzq-79-183-23-1.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:01 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"how so" questions which statement? 20:36 < dho> how would finalizers be (ab)used in cgo wrappers? 20:40 < anticw> oh, some wrappers that are involved in allocations would use them to avoid C.free calls 20:40 -!- tonyg [~tonyg@ip202-27-211-2.dsl.kci.net.nz] has joined #go-nuts 20:40 < anticw> or rather explicit calls outside of the wrapper 20:41 < dho> interesting 20:42 < anticw> one issue right now is the GC isn't very timely by default, and so we could malloc (and not free) vast amounts of memory and it would never be noticed 20:42 < dho> you can tune when the GC runs 20:43 <+iant> You can also just run it 20:43 < dho> that too 20:43 < anticw> sure, but that seems ugly 20:43 < skelterjohn> dho: http://pastebin.com/m65f4a334 20:43 < skelterjohn> sorry about the delay 20:43 < anticw> malloc memory from c/cgo won't be seen by the gc ... so it's size/growth won't help trigger GC cycles 20:43 < dho> oh, that's true. 20:43 < anticw> once (if) there is reference counting this becomes less of an issue though 20:44 < anticw> iant just needs to hurry up and unify the runtimes and make a magical new perfect GC 20:44 < dho> wonder how you'd annotate `caller frees' memory 20:44 < anticw> probably explicitly in the wrapper for now, it would just make it easier for users 20:44 < anticw> depending on how the interfaces should look 20:44 < skelterjohn> and dho: the error i had was in _cgo_gotypes.go 20:44 -!- bortzmeyer [~stephane@2a01:e35:8bd9:8bb0:1d34:cde6:8d15:82a0] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:45 < anticw> it would mean if i have some high-level 'sdl object' and it went out of scope in my go code i could have a finalizer free stuff for me 20:46 < dho> skelterjohn: yeah i know :) 20:47 -!- nanoo [~nano@95-89-196-27-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:47 -!- oal [~olav@5.79-160-122.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:48 -!- bortzmeyer [~stephane@2a01:e35:8bd9:8bb0:1d34:cde6:8d15:82a0] has joined #go-nuts 21:00 -!- Kashia [~Kashia@port-92-200-55-238.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts 21:01 -!- tonyg [~tonyg@ip202-27-211-2.dsl.kci.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:08 -!- bortzmeyer [~stephane@2a01:e35:8bd9:8bb0:1d34:cde6:8d15:82a0] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:11 -!- idea_squirrel [ct2rips@77-21-22-102-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: what would a pirate do?] 21:22 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-211-128-139.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: itrekkie] 21:23 -!- Guest55684 [~irc@209.17.191.58] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:23 -!- irc_ [~irc@209.17.191.58] has joined #go-nuts 21:44 -!- homiziado [~ernestofr@93.102.70.199.rev.optimus.pt] has joined #go-nuts 21:45 -!- senneth [senneth@irssi/staff/senneth] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:51 -!- senneth [senneth@irssi/staff/senneth] has joined #go-nuts 21:58 -!- amacleod [~amacleod@c-75-69-45-62.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye] 22:02 -!- nathanielk [~quassel@frigga.summersault.com] has joined #go-nuts 22:09 -!- encolpe [~encolpe@gai69-3-82-235-15-3.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:09 -!- GeoBSD [~geobsd@lns-bzn-31-82-252-223-208.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15 -!- Eridius [~kevin@unaffiliated/eridius] has joined #go-nuts 22:16 -!- quixoten [~Devin_Chr@c-67-177-8-48.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:20 -!- gzmask [~gzmask@corwin.cat.uregina.ca] has joined #go-nuts 22:21 -!- deso [~deso@x0561a.wh30.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22 -!- quixoten [~Devin_Chr@c-67-177-8-48.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:24 -!- fenicks [~christian@log77-4-82-246-228-78.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:25 -!- nathanielk_ [~quassel@frigga.summersault.com] has joined #go-nuts 22:32 -!- emelpy [~cmadd@w054-096.wireless.uvic.ca] has joined #go-nuts 22:33 -!- gzmask [~gzmask@corwin.cat.uregina.ca] has left #go-nuts [] 22:33 -!- pdusen [~pdusen@crob4-55.flint.umich.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:34 -!- Wiz126 [Wiz126@72.20.219.127] has joined #go-nuts 22:40 -!- drry [~drry@unaffiliated/drry] has quit [Quit: Tiarra 0.1+svn-35634M: SIGTERM received; 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